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Abu defends Osama bin Laden
Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:43pm

I thought this was a joke at first, but he appears to be serious. The more Abu reveals about what he really thinks, the more concerned I get.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 12:03am:

Osama has just been placed in a difficult time and set of circumstances that's all, even his former hunter Michael Scheuer claims him to be a great leader. I'm sure if he was born under a Caliphate, he would've been more famous than infamous.

It's down the bottom, the last comment.

So this is the choice Muslims make when torn between the contradictory Koranic commands of defending fellow Muslims no matter what they do and correcting them.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:22pm:

mozzaok,

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even though the only commonality you share with them is your religion, you really are just reinforcing the belief in the "Us against Them", mentality

I can choose to support people based on any criteria I so choose. I choose those whom I have a strong spiritual bond with, and I consider that the best criteria. You might choose colour of skin, shared colonial history, similar socio-economic situation or any other criteria, that's up to you also.

Ummmm, what about supporting those who do the right thing and opposing those who do the wrong thing?

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Reply #1 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:53pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:43pm:

I thought this was a joke at first, but he appears to be serious. The more Abu reveals about what he really thinks, the more concerned I get.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 12:03am:

Osama has just been placed in a difficult time and set of circumstances that's all, even his former hunter Michael Scheuer claims him to be a great leader. I'm sure if he was born under a Caliphate, he would've been more famous than infamous.

It's down the bottom, the last comment.

So this is the choice Muslims make when torn between the contradictory Koranic commands of defending fellow Muslims no matter what they do and correcting them

No different to you defending murderers like the IDF. And I'd hate to remind you, but it wasn't muslims here cheering over the murder of children...that was your fellow non-muslim bigots. And lets not forget that you defended their right to do so.

And we're not torn FD, the choice is rather clear. We are more then willing to criticise fellow muslims, no problems their, it is when we are demanded to do so by bigots and Islamophobes such as yourself that we object.

You were unwilling or unable to even reign in posters on this very board who cheered the deaths of children...and here you are, like the hypocrite you have proven to be time and time again, demanding that we do what you yourself is unwilling to do.

Get real....

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:43pm:

Ummmm, what about supporting those who do the right thing and opposing those who do the wrong thing?

Yes freediver...what about it. how bout you start doing this yourself. You can start with opposing those who killed hundreds of innocent civilians, instead of constantly defending their right to do so.

Unless ofcourse you believe that killing civlians, including children, with missiles is 'doing the right thing'.

Being the pathetic filth you are...I suspect you actually do. Sad but true.

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Reply #2 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:59pm

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And I'd hate to remind you, but it wasn't muslims here cheering over the murder of children...that was your fellow non-muslim bigots.

Lestat, you are confused. Just because Muslims consider other Muslims their 'fellows' and defend them no matter what, does not mean that non-Muslims will defend non-Muslims no matter what. This is just you projecting your 'us-vs-them' mentality onto other people.

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And lets not forget that you defended their right to do so.

Yes I believe in freedom of speech. This is a good thing Lestat. It's what allows you get get away with all the crap you post.

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Reply #3 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:06pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

Lestat, you are confused. Just because Muslims other Muslims their 'fellows' and defend them no matter what, does not mean that non-Muslims will defend non-Muslims no matter what. This is just you projecting your 'us-vs-them mentality onto other people.

Yet you refused to condemn them for what was clearly disgusting behavior, yet you demand muslims to do, what you were unwilling to do.

That fd, is a hypocrite in anyone's language.

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 2:59pm:

Yes I believe in freedom of speech. This is a good thing Lestat. It's what allows you get get away with all the crap you post.

lol...what allows me to get away with my posts is the fact that your pathetic site has only a handful of posters. Your hardly in any position to ban anyone, which is why you don't.

But hey..go ahead, ban me if you like....I dare you. Instead of having 10 regular posters...you'll only have 9. D:D:D

As for your belief in 'freedom of speech'...no you don't fd, your hypocricy was exposed when you agreed with laws outlawing holocaust denial.

Your 'freedom of speech' belief seems to evaporate into thin air then.

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Reply #4 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:22pm

Lestat do you share Abu's sentiments about Osama?

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your hypocricy was exposed when you agreed with laws outlawing holocaust denial

Quote me. In fact, try finding where I actually said any of those things you claim. You do have a habbit of making things up as you go along Lestat. I think your claims about freedom of speech and why you are allowed here are a bit ironic given what I actually said on the issue:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/15#15

Freedom of speech should protect even loonies like the holocaust deniers.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52839 At my desk.	Re: Abu defends Osama bin Laden Reply #6 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:38pm Easy there Tallow, lets not get carried away. I know it's a big issue for many people.
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Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:44pm

Has Bin Laden's "confession" video ever been authenticated? I think not. Rumsfeld by inference implied Bin Laden was behind 9/11. Isn't it incredible how every year some tape of Bin Laden makes it into our media to let us know that he's alive and dangerous - yet we can't find him anywhere.

On June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.”

This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001?

Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account?

And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse?

Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not?

How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?

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Reply #8 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:45pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:22pm:

Lestat do you share Abu's sentiments about Osama?

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your hypocricy was exposed when you agreed with laws outlawing holocaust denial

Quote me. In fact, try finding where I actually said any of those things you claim. You do have a habbit of making things up as you go along Lestat. I think your claims about freedom of speech and why you are allowed here are a bit ironic given what I actually said on the issue:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/15#15

Freedom of speech should protect even loonies like the holocaust deniers.

haha...I'm glad you linked that thread, cause it highlights your hypocricy and double standards.

Anyway, I see that you've been selective on which of your quotes you posted.

You then did go on to say.

"I agree.

material published on the website denies the reality of the Holocaust and makes antisemitic statements. "

You clearly state here that holocaust denial is not ok, cause anti-semetic statements are not ok.

You then when on to argue how making 'anti-semetic' remarks should not be allowed...yet ironically, your all for making anti-muslim remarks.

So as you can see, you clearly feel that criticism of muslims is 'freedom of speech'...yet denying the holocaust is 'anti-semetic', and your ideals of 'freedom of speach' mysteriously disapear.

Ironically, in the very same thread, you went on to say ...

"Islam is a religion. Semite is a race. If someone were to attack Arabs in the same way, the same rules should apply. "

"Pretty much. Criticism of religion is fine. Religious discrimination isn't. "

Yet when islamophobe's here are advocating that very thing, religous dsicrimination...not only do you not object, no, you actually support thier claims.

As I said fd...you don't really believe in freedom of speech...you use it as a facade to hide behind, to attack those you want to attack.

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Reply #10 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:51pm

"Osama has just been placed in a difficult time and set of circumstances that's all, even his former hunter Michael Scheuer claims him to be a great leader. I'm sure if he was born under a Caliphate, he would've been more famous than infamous." (c) abu

That is very one very compelling reason why Caliphate should never rise it's ugly head again.

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Reply #11 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 3:53pm

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Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up

Maybe it's because they are loonies. Just because someone believes in conspiracy theories doesn't mean you should allow them into your country.

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And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account?

Plenty of people have posted 9/11 conspiracies on this site. They tend to fall down on obvious technical flaws. Hence the term nut.

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You clearly state here that holocaust denial is not ok, cause anti-semetic statements are not ok.

No I do not Lestat. As usual, you completely misunderstand what was posted. It simply does not state that, so I have no idea why you think it 'clearly states that'. You never seem capable of reading what is actually posted. You get these ideas in your head about what other people think, and you believe that, even if the opposite is right in front of your eyes. Even when you quote what I say to back yourself up, you can't get it right.

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Reply #13 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 4:11pm

"And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account?" (c) lestat

they do the same if a guest would say that it was mohammed the pro doing telekinesis tricks s air planes though it clearly raises valid questions about what really happened. Shocked

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Reply #14 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 6:09pm

Typical sensationalism by fd.

This is right on par with your "Islam and deserts" thread though Grin

All I did was echo the observations and analysis of former CIA Bin Laden Unit head, Michael Scheuer, if you have any problem with those views, then feel free to write to Mr Scheuer. Or continue on with your usual sensationalist crap... as we know you will anyway.

And as Mantra adeptly pointed out, there's been absolutely no evidence to date presented that conclusively finds him guilty, so about all I'm guilty of is not slandering a potentially innocent man. I can live with that.

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