Iraqi woman had 80 women raped then recruited as suicide bombers
From correspondents in Baghdad
Agence France-Presse
February 04, 2009 09:15am
Mastermind ... Samira Ahmed Jassim confessed to organising the rape of 80 women so she could recruit them as suicide bombers / AP
Woman arranged rape of more than 80 women
Used rape to recruit them as suicide bombers
Female suicide attacks increasing
A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.

Samira Jassam, 51, was arrested by Iraqi police and confessed to recruiting the women and orchestrating dozens of attacks.

In a video confession, she explained how she had mentally prepared the women for martyrdom operations, passed them on to terrorists who provided explosives, and then took the bombers to their targets.

"We arrested Samira Jassim, known as 'Um al-Mumenin', the mother of the believers, who was responsible for recruiting 80 women'', Major General Qassim Atta said.

"She confessed her responsibility for these actions, and she confirmed that 28 attempts had been made in one of the terrorists' strongholds,'' he said.

Samira Jassim was arrested on January 21. She is allegedly linked to the Ansar al-Sunnah insurgent group.

Daily Telegraph, 4 Feb 2009 Two of the attacks for which Samira Jassim admitted responsibility in the video confession took place in Diyala province, in central Iraq, which is considered one of the most dangerous areas of the country.

The Associated Press reports US military figures indicate at least 36 female suicide bombers attempted or carried out 32 attacks last year. Women are often allowed through military checkpoints without being searched, making it easier for them to hide explosives under their traditional robes.

Only in islam....

Indeed.


In the past 20 years,

2 million people

[many of them Christians] were exterminated by Arab ISLAMIST militias in Darfur.

Where is the outrage over this prolonged violence, against black muslims and black non-muslims, by Arab muslims?

Google,
darfur "2 million" dead "20 years"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=darfur+%222+million%22+dead+%2220+years%...






For 6 years thousands of rockets are fired into southern Israel, from Gaza.

Not a peep from the UN, or the world 'community'.

Israel warns, and warns, and warns Hamas.

Yet Hamas is not constrained.

Finally Israel responds.

Perhaps 1300 Gazan's die [which i regret the loss of innocent life].

We immediately see the condemnation of Israel, for the use of 'disproportionate' force, in defending civilians in southern Israel.

But what of the 2 million who died at teh hands of Arab muslims in Darfur????

This world is sick.

WHITE is BLACK

And BLACK is WHITE

UP is DOWN

And DOWN is UP

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Why would it be blamed on Islam when Islam clearly makes rape a capital offence...

Grendel,

Instead of the fumbled attempts to avoid answering my argument. Why don't you answer it?

If you think you have a better argument, present it. You don't do a very good job of representing your ideas, really.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 7:10am:


Anyone who has a Google page open, and 10 minutes, could quickly learn how bizarre such a claim is.

The word, 'Catmeat', comes to mind.

'Catmeat', was first discussed in a sermon in a mosque, in Australia, by a muslim cleric.









http://www.frontpagemag.com/Media/Homepage/rape9.gif

Symposium: To Rape an Unveiled Woman

......"A man sees a woman and she is not veiled. He thinks to himself: “Oh, I must rape her now.” "
"No matter how much I try to figure this out, I can’t. What’s the mindset here? If a person is upset that a woman is not veiled, it implies he wants some kind of supposed “morality.”
But if he is thirsting for purity, how does perpetrating a violent sexual atrocity against the “immoral” one fit into moralizing her and the rest of society – and himself?"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD7...

WAFA SULTAN [a Syrian born woman], SPEAKS ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN WITHIN ISLAM / SHARIA JURISDICTIONS.




.....Wafa Sultan: "If Islam really treated women with honor, we would see the positive consequences of that honor over the course of the past 14 centuries. Islam did not treat women with honor. On the contrary, it has distorted the concept of honor.
.....In my opinion, in the Arab countries in particular, you cannot say that the status of women has nothing to do with Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024717.php




Within countries that are under the influence of ISLAM / Sharia, is it ISLAM that is responsible for the shocking treatment of women, and the attitudes of muslim men towards women ?

If ISLAM is not responsible for the behaviour of muslim men [muslim men who declare their own status as devout muslims], then who is responsible?





Where-ever ISLAM has influence in a society, violence and injustice is prevalent.

Q.
Why won't muslims just accept reality, why won't muslims admit that ISLAM is a failed cultural system?

A.
Muslims always try to hide injustice [which reflects badly upon themselves, and ISLAM], because muslims are culturally programmed to always seek to hide what is shameful.

Devout muslims, ISLAMIST's, Jihadists - ISLAM
Shame vs. Guilt

Islamic cultures are shame based. Shame is a painful experience. To avoid shame you have to hide the source of shame. This means you must protect the image. Your entire self esteem and self worth depends on that image. When you are shamed you become violence. Violence is one way we humans deal with shame.
.....For Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us. The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty.
If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image.
The opposite of shame is honor.
You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017530.php#c428023
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm

".....If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image."

.....and to avoid exposing what is TRUE.


Within ISLAM,
....TRUTH [which is shameful] does not 'exist'.

Within ISLAM,
....when shame exists, it must be hidden.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 7:10am:


So why were assorted mufties bemoaning Skaf's 55 years? He was convicted of multiple rapes. They should have called for his execution.
But that would have been consistent.

if this case is correct (we know that U.S/Iraqi interrogators use torture, torture usually gets people to say what you want them to say, not what the truth is), then her crimes are both against Islam and against Muslims (the girls who've been raped). How on earth you could consider them a weapon against Islam is beyond me.

Under Islam, if found guilty, she would  be sentenced to death, plain and simple. therefore to claim Islam condones her behaviour is just ridiculous.

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:34am:


What a simple statement from a simple person. Ludicrous.

Lets take last weeks example of the man throwing his daughter from the Westgate.

Being Australian, we can safely assume that he believes in secularism and democracy. Or perhaps he was Christian...what we know for sure he was not muslim.

Using your stupid logic, this man is a secularist/Crhistian. he killed his daugher. Secularists/Christians kill their daughters? How good is Secularism/Christianity?

Martin Bryant...also christian. Christians kill people. How good are Christians.

Pol Pot...Athiest, killed millions. Athiests kill people. how good are athiests.

Last year the Aussie bloke who punched his 3 month old baby to death.

He was Australian. He killed his baby. Australians kill babies. How good are Australians?

This is how stupid your logic is, and the fact that you revert to such a simple stupid view reflects on how simply stupid you really are.

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 8:45am:


lol..once again reflecting your ignorance. There are plenty of Australian ex-pats working in Dubai and Saudi at the moment. lol, once again...stupid logic from a stupid person.

Didn't you see the news last week.

Anglo-Saxon Australian man threw his daughter off the Westgate bridge. Anglo Saxon Australians kill their daughters. How good are anglo-saxon Australians?

Isn't t his how your stupid theory works. how does it feel, being made to look like an idiot every time you open your mouth.

Really Tallowood..sometimes its best you remain silence, keeping us in doubt, as opposed to speaking, and confirming that you are an idiot.

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:23am:


Ahh...as you can see once again tallowood has been exposed and reverts to vulgar abuse. this is becoming an all to familiar pattern.

My job is done here...carry on with your ignorance. i've already highlighted the stupidity of your posts, now all that remains is for you to confirm that stupidity, which  you have done so above.

Thanks for making my job easier.

WORKING IN DUBAI...  ROTFLMAO
You are a goose Les...

FOR THE MONEY BUDDY...  LIVING IN AN ENCLAVE FOR OUTSIDERS... 

NOT for the Arab/Muslim lifestyle and culture 

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Ansar al Islam is Sunni.

Calanen wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:53am:


Thanks. Now I know why forum muslims did not want to answer, abu stated somewhere that sunnis were islamic majority.

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 12:13pm:


They are, but not in Iraq. Remember also that Iran is Shia, and thats probably the most powerful Islamic country.

Even though its leadership are insane.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:


There it is...the well known ROTFLMAO, a sure sign that Grendel has once again been embarresed into submission.

'You thought'....I somehow doubt it. I don't think you have the ability to 'think'.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:


You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'. The only culture that Australia has is that which immigrants brought with them.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:41pm:


Oh right...I forgot. Aussie aussie aussie...oi, oi, oi.

Great culture that is.
And lets not leave out that great pub meal aussie cuisine.

Lestat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:43pm:



Why don't you Vincent van Gogh, Lizzie.


Hope that's cultured enough for you.

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As much as I'm going to be abused for this - I agree with the above.  We are a culture in formation.  The culture that existed 30 years ago - if we can call it that has long gone.  People have changed.  The original "aussies" are caring less for their families - that includes their parents and children.  The elderly are dying alone in their homes and being found weeks later or put into hospitals if the family needs a holiday.  Consumption of alcohol is out of control and the majority of young people have no qualms about boozing it up all weekend.  They are killing themselves.

Many of them are directionless and lost and want some goals and boundaries in their lives.  They can no longer get this from their families who are so consumed with debt, materialism and working around the clock that generation Y are the forgotten generation and are looking for some substance in their lives.

Depression is rampant amongst our young because they're empty and susceptible to peer pressure to fill a void.  They are looking for something to give their life meaning.

I have no problem with Australian males because I'm used to them - but the younger generation of women are very dissatisfied with the lack of confidence, propensity to violence and the disrespect the average young male generally shows to women.

Well said Mantra. No doubt it will elicit some backlash, but it's the truth, and it's just hard to come to grips with for extreme nationalists.

Regarding the treatment of the elderly, this is a very sad situation. In one of the mosques in Melbourne the Muslim community there runs an aged care facility, all the patients are non-Muslims, as it's completely forbidden in Islamic culture to palm your seniors off to a home. I think this is one aspect of Islamic culture (it's also present to some degree in Italian and Greek cultures) that Australia could learn from and integrate into our own emerging culture. Why not take what Australian culture needs from those cultures which are integrating into Australia at present, seems like the only logical choice to me, unless people want to remain in a stubborn mindset that "we've already got our own culture, don't need that bloody foreign crap".

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There is a stubborn mindset here and a lot of it is exacerbated by our media unfortunately.  And true - it is the only logical choice to integrate new cultures into Australia, particularly as statistics are showing that migrants are placing so much more importance on education for their children and family values than 3rd, 4th etc. generation Australians are currently doing.

My daughter recently spent a night at Luna Park and joined up with a group of young Muslim girls and she was impressed with how nice, polite and gentle they were in comparison to the girls she's grown up with, many of them being hard, nasty and materialistic.  She works with many foreign men, including Muslims and enjoys their company, kindness and humour.

Unfortunately many of the Aussie Nationalists, being mainly male, can't understand that Muslims in Australia are different to Muslims in Afghanistan.  They are all lumped in the same basket as extremists.  There are aspects of Islam that I don't like in regard to women being treated as second class citizens and being hit, but from what I've read this mainly occurs amongst Muslim peasants in the same way it occurs amongst Australian males in lower socio-economic areas of Australia.

Australians will get used to Muslims, in the same way we did with Italians and Asians.  In another 20 years - this hatred hopefully will be a thing of the past.

mantra wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 7:31am:


Do you really believe that islam will reform in 20 years?
I hope so too but don't held my breath.iiiiiiii

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 5:49am:


It's rhyming slang from London, innit. Vincent Vang off.

All cultures are in formation, so no news there.
BUT the Greeks, the Balts, Italians, Vietnamese and Chinese and now the Muslims and Indians are coming BECAUSE it is an Anglo coutry, with Anglo laws, sensibilities, LANGUAGE, big thing that, language and literature - the stuff of the mind and attitudes. They are not coming just for the material goods -  which were achieved to a large extent also because of the Britannic heritage and the Anglo settlers.

None of the earleir ones wanted to change the very culture that attracted them to this country - except the muslims of your ilk. They are the only ones who wish this place was culturally and mentality-wise similar to the hellholes they fled. (Not materially similar, mind,  because who would pay them the dole in a poor untry?) Benbrika fled Algeria because the Muslims there wanted an Ummah and pronto. Big killing spree, civil unrest, killing and mayhem. He comes here and wants what? To kill footy spectators. A 'sought after ' figure in his community. Not a pariah. Not an ostracised loser. A 'sought after' figure.

The immigrants do contribute to this country and they can do that because it is an anglo country, a place governed by reasonableness, the principle of merit raqther than clan or tribal affiliation, a place where you are free, safe and pursue your heart's desire.

You can take your ummah and stick it up your jumpah.

Calanen wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 10:01pm:


There may be other ways to reach a time when islam will be as irrelevant as it was between, roughly, the 15th and mid-20th centuries. If oil's relevance can be removed or ended, Islam's relevance will return to it's 18-19th century levels, that is, to insignificance.
Without the threat of harming the west with the oil weapon,  all the islamic influence and weight behind the the threatss and intimidations would disappear. Without oil, Islamic threats would be akin to threats coming from North Korea or Zimbabwe.

Without oil, Muslim countries would have to make their way according to talent and merit. In other words, they wouldl have to offer something more than utopia under the ummah. In the last five hundred years they have given us two things - oil and utopia. If you remove oil, will utopia alone cause newspapers to self-sensor their cartoons and articles, countries to tolerate fatwahs on authors and the burning of their embassies? Unlikely. Even muslim minorities in the west would be rendered much, much more respectful of their host countries. The din of demands and entitlement would subside to whispered and respectful requests.

Muslims without oil would have to offer the world something more than utopia to earn the world's respect. What is the chance of that?
They can't compete on labour costs - china and SE Asia will always have more cheap labour. They can't match the innovative and educationally driven emerging economies - islamic countries are no threat to the knowledge economies of Korea, Singapore, as well as parts of china and india, let alone thee US and the west generally. Without natural resources, what's left? Unless sand turns out to be vital, nothing.

Time is running out for islam. That is one reason why it is thrashing about so desperately.