Calanen wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 8:46am:


lol...it goes both ways. Forgive us if we don't take your 'I'll fight for my country' claims to seriously.

Calanen wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 8:46am:


1) Who said anything about a punch up. Your making an awful lot of assumptions there. I would just like to see if you have the courage to say what you feel to a muslim face to face.

I'm not threatening violence..why would I. Quite frankly, your not worth the bother, and why would I put at risk my families well being, income and standard of life by fighting some tool on the net who clearly has no idea?

Like I said..no violence, no punch ups, just a chat.

Calanen wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 8:46am:


manipulation? How so?

Calanen wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 8:46am:


I guess so. And whilst you are here on this site preaching to a bunch of bigots who already probably share your view...we're out there spreading our message. Just last week an friend of mine who is involved with ISNAA, told me that 80 Australians converted to Islam..in just the last month.

Thats 80 people, from one organisation, in one city. Every Friday prayers I attend a 'dinky di' aussie anglo saxon is converting to Islam.

I suggest you stop wasting your time here and get out there in the real world...this is one battle you are losing.

And whats worst....is when it comes to pain and suffering, you haven't seen nothing yet. It isn't us muslims you should be fearing.

Calanen,

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You're not nearly as good as you'd like to think.

About the only people effected by your writing are bigots anyway, you're just reaffirming their irrational fears, that's about it. I don't think you're really having any noticable effect on average people (Thank God). Besides most of your arguments are prettily easily squashed...

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 9:54am:



Being called stupid by you Freediver is a compliment. In fact, if you ever praise anything I say, I would take a long hard good look at myself.

Calanen,

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It is an irrational fear, because no Muslim in Australia is working to implement a Caliphate here, nor laws relating to dhimmitude. Your only argument is that such concepts exist in Islamic texts, this is true, but even worse concepts exist in Jewish texts, yet you don't have a fear of them... This indicates your fear is irrational.

It's much more irrational than European fears of the Elders of Zion taking over Europe/US.. yet many would contend that the amount of Jews in very high places in the U.S today vindicate those fears.

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Muslims are not committed to the destruction of Australia, this is just nonsense. Yes we like to proselytise and win converts, as do many other religions, what's wrong with that? Aren't people free to choose their religion? About all you're able to do is point to criminals of Muslim background and claim they represent what Islam brings to the country, it's just farsical, really. Like judging Christianity based on the actions of Christian background criminals, of which there is quite a lot.

Besides who demands unlimited immigration? At the rate Aussies are converting to Islam, there is no need for immigration, our numbers will grow through people embracing Islam of their own accords. And this is really what you don't like, just admit it, you don't like people being free to choose their own beliefs.

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Ignorant people are easily horrified with propaganda and hype, no doubt, not average people.

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I doubt your book will get much of an audience, unless you can provoke some kind of sensationalist headlines, but that usually entails using your own name...

No doubt, like all islamophobic propagandists who try to pass themselves off as writers you'll try some kind of publicity stunt to get some free publicity... your kind cannot exist without it.

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Calanen, I don't know who you think you're fooling, but most of your crap here has been challenged, and shown to be baseless. This is probably the first time you've actually come up against Muslims in debate though, as usually you just troll boards with only Anglo audiences, whose fears and ignorance you play on.

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My posting of articles about the LRA are not a response to anything, so how can they be tu quoque? I merely posted the article as news, and in fact all I received in response to it was a barrage of tu quoque replies, and I think you were amongst them. If anyone is guilty here of tu quoque it is your side. I sometimes might mention the misdeeds of others IN THE CONTEXT of the discussion and as a component of my broader response. You, Grendel, Sprint et al purely respond with tu quoque, not even providing a broader response. On this issue, I gotta say, you've painted yourself as a bit of a hypocrite Calanen.

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As I said, irrational fears... you're nothing but a cheap hate-peddling conspiracy theorist. You think because someone embraces another religion he's a traitor to his country... You are lost Calanen, really.

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Yes they are, just not directly. But that is the inevitable result of what you hope to achieve. That is, if Muslims in Australia were sufficiently powerful, it would be inevitable that they would attempt to overthrow the government and replace it with an Islamic dictatorship. You cannot claim that promoting an ideology that demands an Islamic dictatorship has nothing to do with achieving an islamic dictatorship.

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Because Jews are not trying to impose their law it on the rest of the world. Jews seem quite happy to leave the barbarity of the old testament to old testament times. Muslims are the only people I ahve come across who seriously suggest it would be nice to return to dictatorship, stoning women to death, killing apostates, wife beating etc.

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No it does not. The Jews never have been a threat to civilisation. They never will be.

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The elders of Zion was a fabrication Abu. Conspiracy theories are irrational fears. Islamic dictatorships are not conspiracy theries. It is right there in the Koran for all to see.

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Right, there are not trying to sink the continent, only the government and the values sytem. You keep misleading people by insisting that the short term goals of Islam are the only goals of Islam, while pretending that the long term goals do not exist. It is a blatant lie.

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As has been pointed out to you over and over again, Islam differs from other religions in that it doubles as an expansionist military empire that has previously sought to spread it's insipid ideology throughout the world via the sword. Judaism has never attempted that.

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Not under virulent ideologies like Islam, where apostates are put to death and people who refuse to convert are actively discriminated against in every aspect of the society.

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No Abu, ignorant people are not aware of what Dhimmitude is all about. It is what Muslims theselves say about Dhimmitude that causes concern, not anti-Muslim propaganda. Nothing that Sprint and Yadda posted troubled me in the slightest. It was not until Muslims turned up here and demonstrated how close the reality was to the proaganda that I got concerned. So stop attributing everything to misunderstanding. It is awareness of Islam that causes people to be detested by it. It is the Muslim preachers on the news that speak filth then try to worm their way out of it that rubs against Australian values. No propagandist could ever hope to achieve the same response that Muslims themselves elicit.

Calanen wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:08pm:



I heard the very same sentiments expressed by a Lebanese Christian soccer mum last year.

And that is what Pat Condell, a Londoner, echoes as well.

Lestat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 11:30am:



Cool.  My compliments to you, too, then.

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Since I wasn't tooting my own horn (something you quite regularly do), that question is irrelevant to me.

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As usual, your lame attempt to pass over a point you yourself raised, indicates you concede defeat on that point.

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Yes we're well aware your bigotry only extends to one particular faith, that's the whole point. If it were equally applied to all faiths, then it wouldn't be bigotry so much, just an aversion to religion. The problem is that you attack one particular religion, and usually on points and issues that could just as equally apply to many other religions (eg. extremist violence committed by adherents, crimes committed by people of that religious background, texts you find unsavoury etc). All of those things I have documented as being applicable to other religions, to which you consistently reply "tu quoque", obviously quite unaware that if a tu quoque argument is in relation to exposing inconsistencies in the original accusations, then it's quite valid.