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Girl dies after being thrown from bridge
Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:51pm

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Girl dies after being thrown from bridge

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Witnesses reported seeing a man throw the child off the bridge.

Witnesses reported seeing a man throw the child off the bridge. (AAP: Andrew Henshaw)

* Video: First Cut: The scene at Westgate Bridge (ABC News)
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A four-year-old girl has died after being thrown from the Westgate Bridge in Melbourne and her father has been charged with one count of murder.

The 35-year-old Hawthorn man was arrested after the child's body was dragged from the Yarra River about 9.15am (AEDT).

Police say witnesses reported seeing a man stop his white Landcruiser near the top of the bridge and throw the child over the side.

About 10 minutes later water police pulled the girl from the river near the Scienceworks Technology Museum, close to the Spotswood pumping station.

Paramedics then spent 45 minutes trying to revive her on the riverbank. She was flown to the Royal Children's Hospital, where she later died.

The girl's father, who was in the Family Court yesterday, was later arrested outside the court in the city. He was charged and will appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court later today.

It is understood the parents of the child had reached an agreement about custody.

Police say the man who was arrested was with two other children, aged six and eight, and was visibly distressed.

Detective Inspector Steve Clark says the two children are with police and the mother of the dead girl has been informed.

"It's a dreadful set of circumstances, and often you think you've seen it all but you haven't," Det Insp Clark said.

"It's particularly distressing obviously for family members but for the witnesses who saw what occurred, a number of those people are upset and I've got a number of police here who have young children themselves, who have had to deal with it."

Police want witnesses to the incident to contact them.

Victorian Premier John Brumby says the incident is a terrible tragedy.

"It's such a horrible thing to happen to the child," he said.

"As a father I think, what are the circumstances that could possibly bring this about?

"I just shuddered when I heard about it, I think every Victorian, you just shudder, you just think, how can that happen?"

I have no problems in saying this person needs to die.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Re: Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Reply #1 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:55pm This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree. In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing.
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Reply #3 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 4:24pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:

This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree.

In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing.

Depends on the age of the child. Post natal depression is fairly prevalent and can lead to this sort of thing. No excuse though.

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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Reply #4 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 4:43pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:55pm: This is one of the reasons there is a justified tendancy for courts to award custody to mothers if the parents cannot agree. In the main, mums do not do this sort of thing. In the main, neither do men.
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Reply #5 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 6:05pm

I was just listening to a man on the radio who said that although he was horrified at this incident, mad rage had built up in him when he went through a nasty custody battle too. He felt as though something was exploding in his head and just wanted to reach out and kill whoever got in his way.

Although this murderer was probably filled with a similar rage - he possibly chose the little girl because she would struggle less and the wife may have had a closer relationship with her and this was payback big time.

Whatever his reasons for this murder - he should spend the rest of his life in gaol. People have just become completely out of control now and there are too many children dying at the hands of their parents.

Now he's lost everything in one split second of fury.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53190 At my desk.	Re: Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Reply #6 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 6:07pm You make it sound like it's something new Mantra.
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Reply #7 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 6:11pm

No it's not new - but everytime you hear about something like this - it seems like the first time.

I was reading about that woman in the US who killed her little 2 year old girl because her manners weren't good enough. She beat her with a huge strap with help from her partner who stayed home that day to teach the child a lesson. When they'd stopped beating her - they threw her against the wall a few times and finished her off.

There was a photo of the woman sitting in Court smiling away with her solicitor, while the jury cried at the sadness of this child's life and her terrible death.

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Reply #8 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:11pm

Well I don't know if he needs to die. I'm not partial to the death sentence.

Obviously something very bad and very sad has happened.

But we don't know why.

What would drive someone to kill his or her child?

What drove this man.

From all reports so far it seems he had a complete breakdown of some kind.

I feel a temporary? insanity plea coming up and who is to say in this case it wasn't warranted.

He may just be an evil man and a bad father... but at this stage I have no idea.

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Reply #9 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:05am

Hate to say it, but this all boils down to the freedom of the individual cult that our society has become slave to.

We're quite simply teaching people to be so self centred and individualist, that when they're placed in situations like this, they just become engulfed in rage and revenge and lose touch completely with reality and any sense of morality they might normally have.

When people worship their own individualism and freedom of choice, they can quite easily choose to do horrific and despicable things like this...

When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.

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Reply #10 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:35am

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When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.

Don't you think it's more because of the stress most people live under today, particularly in crowded cities, where it takes hours to get anywhere and when you finally do - you have to wait again for the smallest thing. People have little or no time anymore for themselves - there's always something to do.

Even a simple phone call now to a multinational or government service can enrage you with voice recognition that doesn't recognise, an endless wait for a human and finally disconnection.

Then there's noise - A jet flying overhead or a snoring bedmate can increase blood pressure and heart rate even when we don't stir from our slumber. Stress hormones surge into the bloodstream. Doctors worry that this chain of events creates health problems when it happens all night long, every night of the week. The ability of children to learn is compromised by noise. Noise may worsen some mental illnesses, and even people without previous mental health issues can become downright crazy when exposed to loud noise.

How would religion help those who live under so much stress? Can God stop a partner from tormenting you? Can God stop your child whinging? Can God help you tolerate the endless traffic, work duress and those 101 tasks that have to be completed in a day?

I don't think so. Overcrowding, noise and the unnaturally fast pace people have to move at today is causing breakdowns, rages, abuse and murder.

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Reply #11 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:58am

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:11pm:

Well I don't know if he needs to die. I'm not partial to the death sentence.

Obviously something very bad and very sad has happened.

But we don't know why.

What would drive someone to kill his or her child?

What drove this man.

From all reports so far it seems he had a complete breakdown of some kind.

I feel a temporary? insanity plea coming up and who is to say in this case it wasn't warranted.

He may just be an evil man and a bad father... but at this stage I have no idea.

You just summed up my thoughts. I just felt sick to the stomach when I heard this report. How could a human being do this kind of thing?

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Swathe Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 79	Re: Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Reply #12 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:59am Yes and rather than throw their children off a bridge, islamists encourage their children to become martyrs.
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Reply #13 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:04am

Apparently he was quite a good dad caught up in a nasty custody battle.

Everyone loses in a battle.

Undoubly the mum was instigating the bitterness. This is invariably the case

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swathe - islamics dont just encourage their own kids blow themselves up, they brainwash them into it and reward it.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53190 At my desk.	Re: Girl dies after being thrown from bridge Reply #14 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:16am What a surprise, Abu blames this on personal freedom and allowing people to think for themselves. Is there anything you won't try to score cheap points from? To suggest that freedom causes people to become engulfed in rage and revenge is just ludicrous.
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