Aussie Day disgrace - Riot squad called to calm Manly crowd
news Crime 26 Jan 09 @ 03:44pm by Chelsea White and Rebecca Woolley

HUNDREDS of teenagers, some intoxicated, turned the Australia Day celebrations ugly yesterday as they stormed through The Corso causing chaos amid chants of “Aussie Pride’’.

Youths caused minor damage to some stores, cars and a taxi, with one attack leaving a young girl cut by glass and in shock.

It is not known if the 18-year-old was specifically targeted because she was of Asian appearance.

Police played down any racial motives behind yesterday’s unruly behaviour, with Manly Police Commander Dave Darcy saying it was a group of about 80 individuals, many intoxicated, who created problems.

A group of teens jumped on the car in which the girl was a passenger outside Manly Council Chambers in The Corso before punching through the windscreen, covering the terrified girl in shattered glass.

A Bacino Cafe staff member said the crowd of mostly young men was running through The Corso towards Manly Wharf every 20 minutes, shouting “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie’’.

“They stopped the whole traffic, they were jumping over cars,’’ he said.

The crowd also damaged a number of awning signs from shops along The Corso.

Superintendent Darcy said last night police had yet to receive any reports of damage from shop owners.

Indira and Ziggie Jackman, of Manly, who were sitting outside the cafe, said: “The girl was in the back passenger seat of the car.  It happened just here, in front of our eyes. They were running up on top of the cars.’’

The 18-year-old, who suffered cuts, grazes and bleeding, said a large shard of glass embedded in her foot and her back when one of the men smashed the window.

“Two to three people came over the car,’’ she said.

“The glass window just came over my head.

“I had to shut my eyes because of the glass.’’

At least two other vehicles were targeted, including one taxi driven by a Sikh who drove away.

The teens also jostled against a police car and yelled “bugger the pigs’’ as the police tried to intervene to stop them jumping in the water at the wharf.

The Corso was filled with hundreds of teens during the afternoon, many draped in Australian flags and covered in green and gold zinc like warpaint, some shouted racial slurs and demanded girls take their tops off or tried to pull bikinis off female friends.

What started off as boisterous chanting, quickly escalated to intimidatory behavour just before 2pm.

The youths came from across Sydney, including both western and southern areas as well as closer to home.

Manly Police called in the riot squad and Polair just before 3pm.

Some people, who said they were residents, yelled at police demanding to know why they weren’t doing more.

The greater police numbers and cooling temperatures prevented the situation from escalating and by 4.30pm things had quitened considerably.

While some teens claimed the incidents had nothing to do with race, a number of young men said they hoped the day would escalate into something like the racially-motivated Cronulla riots of 2005.

One 18-year-old man, who did not want to be identified, said a lot of people had been talking about coming down to Manly for Australia Day.

He said the day was to celebrate what it meant to be Australian.

“We’re celebrating we are Australian, bugger the ethnics,’’ the man said.

He said a number of the group were not Caucasian but had joined in to stop getting bashed.

Another group of teens spotted on the beach sported hand-drawn maps of Australia on their stomachs with the words: “bugger off we’re full’’.

Superintendent Darcy played down the afternoon’s drama and any suggestions of it being racially motivated. “There are around 10,000 people in Manly having a wonderful time and what we have is about 80 young people who are intoxicated, who are acting anti-socially and inappropriately,’’ he said.

“And they are trying to spoil it for others but despite their efforts the overwhelming majority are having a good time.

“They have not been successful because there is a genuine good will towards everyone in Manly.’’

Superintendent Darcy said the behaviour of this group had been unacceptable, but said there was no suggestion any activities were racially motivated and that the crowd had not targeted ethnic minorities.

The youths were not from the local area, he said.

Police made a number of arrests, including one for assaulting police

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/aussie-day-disgrace-riot-squad-c...

I wonder if Kevin Rudd will be coming out condemning this

well they say there was no racial targetting yet it's interesting that the only people violently approached were asian and sikh. even discounting this, the various slogans around the place were certainly racially charged

not to mention the disgusting behaviour towards women- just filthy

I was down in manly the night before and had a great night- there were no troubles and then this bunch of bozos ruins it for everyone. bah

Did anyone catch that news article a while back about Bosnian and Serb tennis hooligans beating each other up? I thought that was pretty funny. You don't often associate tennis with violence.

yes fd posted it in multiculti

Anyone who displays that sort of extreme nationalism is usually using it as a front for a more sinister agenda.

serbs vs croats
serbs vs bosnians
greeks vs macedonians
lebs vs everyone


just a small sample of the joys of multiculturalism

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That is a pity, some of them may have been too drunk to swim.

On second thoughts, it would not have mattered, because turds float.

They are racist scum, and an embarrassment to all decent aussies, just like the idiots at the tennis, ignorance and stupidity are not exclusive to any ethnic group.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:


They are not an embarrassment to Aussies. They're the only ones with enough guts to stand up for European Australians and the silent majority. The opinions people are too scared to say out loud.

This (The demonstrations) is merely a result of frustration and the fact that too many ideological anti-racists and multcults hold too many positions of power in Australia (As well as the world) and effectively ignore the protests and calls for decency from groups like these.

European Australians have been neglected and ignored for far too long now. It was bound to happen, Mozzaok.

And how dare you compare these guys with the likes of the ethnic gangs at the tennis?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 9:10pm:


Right on cue.

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Well DT - tell us how it's going to end?  There is a greater agenda, far beyond that which our PM's can control.  They are held to ransom by a global order - IMF, EU etc. and can do nothing about mass immigration. 

I don't want any more migrants here either - Australia is full to the brim now with people.  We have looming mass unemployment, a shortage of water, thousands of unwanted children and farms collapsing around us.  The time is not far off where we won't be able to sustain our current population.

But those youths rioting yesterday were just straight out drunken louts.  They probably had no hidden agenda - just a mob mentality filled to the eyeballs with drugs and alcohol and very bored.

Grendel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 9:18pm:

Would the revocation of citizenship also be invoked for serious crime (serious assault, murder, drug crimes etc)? If so, how would you deal with their former nation's refusal to repatriate naturalised citizens who have committed serious crime?

What are European Australians?

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So what you realla mean to say by this Grendel is, If 'ethnics' do something, they're to blame, and if we 'aussies' do something, they're also to blame? Can't win can they..

I'm surprised that nobody noticed that it was just a mute re-enactment of historical of Rum Rebellion. 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/many-in-denial-over-rising-population/2008/12...

I heard this guy, Mark O'Connor, interviewed on the radio today, and he is no racist nutjob, and is not obsessed against multiculturalism, he just thinks that population numbers, and migration , should be reviewed.

He thinks our current levels are unsustainable, and bad for the environment.

I think this is probably the guy that Beo was talking about.

The ACF, has also called for reduced migration, for environmental reasons, so it seems it is not just racist goons who have qualms about migration policies, as they stand.

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:05pm:


That's was a racist remark 

Grendel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 10:34pm:

Easy there, big fella. You presume I’m passionate about the subject. You, on the other hand, are quite passionate about the issue of MC and I assumed you may have thought out the idea of citizenship revocation.

I don’t know how many countries would be happy to retake misfits from Australia (unless, of course, they are wanted for persecution – and what of a misfit who may face unjust treatment in his previous homeland?), but it doesn’t seem like a viable idea, particularly when their only “crime” is that they didn’t fit in, let alone serious criminals. Also, what about countries that don’t recognise dual citizenship and automatically revoke citizenship when the ex-pat becomes an Australian?

How would Australia defend itself against accusations of racism by the former country when we attempt to deport a misfit for, say, advocating extreme Islamic views (not only not considered a crime in many countries but actually considered a virtue).

You can renounce your citizenship but I reckon nearly all would only do so where they were persecuted or had a good chance of attaining citizenship in (or were a permanent resident of) another country.

Do you know of cases of citizenship revocation, excluding those who gave false statements to attain citizenship, but even then, how is it handled? Is there an international agreement on the issue of repatriation under those circumstances?

The idea seems eccentric and loaded with administrative and political issues that would appear to me to make it hard, if not impossible, to effect. I imagine it would descend into another detention centre fiasco which would be (pardon the pun) a Mecca for local and global protest.

Should Australia be prepared to retake our misfits? What would our reaction be to a violent ex-Australian being repatriated into Australia, I wonder?

But anyway, if criminal extremes are not necessarily the only criteria for “special treatment”, what would be? And how would you measure a new citizen’s integration quotient?

Just a sign of the times.

Cursed children.



2 Peter 2:13
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14  Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15  Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;



Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.



Daniel 12:1
.......and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
........
10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.






We live in a world filled with unprecedented violence and injustice.

Most ppl just shrug off these events.

Where is our discernment today, as a society, between good and evil?

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.





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Today, as a people, we embrace the tolerance of evil, as a virtue!

And no one, none of our 'leaders', will challenge the growing influence of evil in our midst.

Why not?

No one will confront evil, the acceptance of evil by us, is regarded as 'tolerance'.

Those who speak out against the wickedness in our midst, are called 'intolerant', or 'bigots', or 'racists'.

Today, we hate TRUTH, and we love lies.

Speaking TRUTH, has become 'evil'.

And those who speak TRUTH are denigrated, and criticised.

And so, the 'silence' like a cancer spreads, as less and less people are willing to speak out.



And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share...
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools," said I, "you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows."
"Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed in the wells of silence.

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon gods they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said: "The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls,
And whisper'd in the sound of silence."
-- Paul Simon, 1963

The "Australia has reached it's capacity" argument has gotta be the stupidest argument I've ever come across. Just admit it, you're racist, xenophobic bigots who don't want foreigners here. If they're white, you won't mind so much, and probably wouldn't even have come up with this dead head argument.

There's plenty of countries around the world, with much smaller land masses than us, much less natural resources, much less arable land, and much much bigger populations. They manage.... And so would we. The idea that our standard of living would drop is more a case of how our society functions than the logistics of how many people are here.

give it a rest mozza, you're not quite as amusing as you'd like to think.

The only racist I see around here throwing mud seems to be you Abu.  You continually talk in colours and only one colour cops the negatives from you.

Helian...  you brought up criminality as an issue for deportation.  I don't think its a bad idea.  Perhaps you'd like to work out the fine details. 

Mozz people can renounce citizenship any time they like.  Some people I have know have come here been naturalised left gone back HOME their citizenship was renounced or waned then a few year later they came back and became naturalised again.

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The law as it stands now.

Oh and I expect that people with dual passports and having had their citizenship revoked would be deported and the other country would have to accept them.

Grendel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 9:12am:

That's a possibility, unless the offender had not already renounced his previous citizenship (which his/her lawyer may recommend had they not already done so) or the first nation point blank refused to accept them. The latter is a real possibility where a politician is expected to explain to an outraged public why they should have a crim from another nation returned home where he has not committed a crime and may demand all the 'rights' of the innocent.

With the law as it stands now, what is the procedure where the birth nation refuses to allow repatriation?

Grendel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 9:46am:




Grendel,

It was in 2006.

When Hezbollah and Israel had their last scrape.




p.s.

Those ppl were not Australians.

They were muslims.

Devout muslims give their total allegiance only to ISLAM.

N.B.

Devout muslims have frequently made that claim of themselves, in moments of candour.

Grendel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 9:46am:

And it can get nuttier. I know a family whose kids have four - Two via descent (parents from Europe), one via birth (born in New Zealand) and one via naturalisation (Australian).

But, anyway. I can't imagine any measurable criteria of integration that would after the fact determine that a new citizen is no longer eligible to hold citizenship. Anything reasonable (such as fluency in English) is best placed as a prerequisite. If the misfit upholds Australian law, how could it be justly determined that the new citizen isn't good enough to remain in Australia?

The whole idea to me appears to have more holes than Swiss cheese.

Wow, where do you get the idea of anti-immigrant teachings in schools? The multicultural ideals are being constantly reinforced to children in schools from primary school. You obviously have no grasp on the curriculum taught in schools. Packs of immigrants youths engaging in gang violence , raping young girls and bashing people is what causes the frustrations.

In fact when iI think about it, Howards ideas were poisonous because we are encouraged to welcome you with open arms. Now we are paying the price.

Yeah I cant say how tired I am of having 15 year old kids try to wow me with the virtues of communism.

I have a general question to those who have been trumpeting this as some kind of expression of oppressed frustration of 'european australians'- do you actually think that getting drunk, destroying public property, assaulting police and passers-by is an acceptable way to express this?

even if I agreed there was a legitimate grievance (which I do not)- is this really the right and acceptable way to voice that grievance?


as to manly itself- it's always been an aggressive area, both towards women and people of a different colour/appearance. it's something I've certainly witnessed every time I've been down there- like the time I passed some guy by and he yelled "you wog b1tch" at me. mmm lovely.

these kids who are 15-18 are not expressing some sort of politicised angst about immigration and its effects on employment etc etc- they just regurgitating the same kind of aggressive crap that bubbles under the surface of their every day lives. and they take a day centred around nationalism to let it all out because they think it's acceptable.

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 2:19pm:


I have never implied that this type of behavior is acceptable, from immigrants or our own. I am just saying that the frustration mixed with alcohol can be a volatile combination. Also, you may not see e legitimate grievance, but that only means you haven't been exposed to it, not that it doesn't exist.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 10:45am:




Give me a break, Abu.

That's the biggest lie (Or showing of ignorance/stupidity) I've ever seen you come up with (Apart from the History of Science: Setting the record straight thread, which is always good for a laugh) on these boards. Even the most ideological anti-racist agrees that primary school teachers, high school teachers, University lecturers and tutors are indoctrinated anti-racists. Even if these teachers are not anti-racist they're forced to teach anti-racist and multicultural material by higher powers.

I recall one time in high school when my teacher gave the class a half an hour lecture on how Australians 'have no right' to protest about the Tampa crisis, as 'we are all immigrants ourselves.' She told students point-blank who disagreed that 'they were wrong' and 'how dare they display such 'racism' in her class.'  

Australian teachers in all educational institutions shove anti-racist garbage down people's throats. Not necessarily based on 'fact' but rather on their 'ideological' beliefs.

Luckily, once the smarter/stronger minded students come out of high school/university and enter the real world, they use their own eyes to decide whether the ideological nature of their teachers are correct. Unfortunately, the more gullible students carry on the legacy of their teachers and accept it as fact and never even question it.

I'm pretty sure you're very happy with what I've just said, Abu. That most educational institutions are rife with anti-racist and multiculturalism bigotry. It's like a dream come true for people like you, isn't it?

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 5:28pm:


They are 'supposed' to play the devils advocate and discussion on most things Gaybriel, unfortunately when it comes to topics like multiculturalism and immigration, they don't. At least not in my experience, anyway. They unashamedly take sides on issues such as this.

is it really neccessary for you to be so insulting?

as to what you believe about my background- no I didn't go to tafe, politics was actually actively avoided at my school- I cannot remember when it would have been discussed and if it was I was particularly disinterested- I was probably more interested in reading, painting and learning history, yes I did an arts degree at uni but only became involved in politics in the latter part of my uni life, before then I just went with the flow- which in my house is voting liberal and loving John Howard.

Now I respect my parents political inclinations before anyone labels my views as some sort of rebellion, and I think that they have some valid points, in fact I think there are some very valuable aspects to the liberal party and their policies- but I don't subscribe to any political party.

some things I agree with liberals, some labor, some greens, some democrats- and for all of them I have quite a few things I dislike quite intensely

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 5:45pm:


whilst I think it's wrong for teachers to shut down student discussions by saying "that's wrong, this is right" for several reasons- I can see why they would encourage ideas and policies with regards to tolerance, acceptance etc- in an environment where they're constantly trying to counteract bullying and the cruelty of children.

they would be trying not to foster an atmosphere which could be seen to encourage picking on someone or discriminating against them because of their race, creed, gender

children generally speaking do not have the maturity or intellectual capacity to separate general grievances from particular people. which is why you can conceivably see a student seeing something about asian crime on the news and then going and starting trouble with the asian kid in his class the next day- or have something happen to his family by a partic ethnic group and the same behaviour. it's human and understandable and it reveals the inability of children to properly focus their anger and feelings of injustice etc where they properly belong.

so if a teacher discourages attitudes that could be seen to introduce disharmony or single out a particular group of people- this is actually a good thing in terms of helping kids to have a more harmonious schooling environment.

however that doesn't mean that I think that teachers should not allow children to express their views - I think if kids are told just to shut up and get yelled at because what they say is 'unacceptable' then theyre going to get more pissed off and have even more feelings of injustice brewing. kids need to be able to discuss what they think and feel, even if the teacher doesn't agree

Wasn't being insulting...  I'm a lefty myself...  what's your problem gaybriel?

Oh and I actually didn't say you went to TAFE...  I was referring to the indoctrination.

It's the truth...  seen it so many times it is not funny.

I don't think anyone is saying their behaviour is good.

But as has been noted...  it is a growing concern.

Some have even pointed out why this might be so.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 9:09pm:


Well, Donald, they embarrass me because they are drunk, young buggerwits who know nothing about the big wide world in which we/they live.

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Would you have said it was Aussie pride if it had been a group of Australian aborigines/Lebanese/Muslims/Africans covered in Australian war paint, dead drunk and creating this fear and destruction?  Real Australians don't condone this behaviour regardless of the colour of the mob. 

mantra wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:41am:


Maybe if they did have any pride in Australia. They don't nor do they have any respect. I've made it quite obvious they went about it the wrong way. Do you people only choose to read half of my posts?

One Nation, were and are idiots. They seemed to handpick the stupidest people for leadership positions and to speak for them.

With one exception - Oldfield - he is a very canny operator, but not much good at presenting himself. He needs to be in the background.

There needs to be a new party, with sensible policies and without the idiocy.

Also, the way the media ganged up on 3 16 year olds who painted 'F** OFF WE'RE FULL" on their stomachs at the beach was outrageous. They called them racists. Being against ALL immigration is a sensible policy, and most of the peope that come here are backpackers. But to post pics of them with headlines like Racist Outrage! etc is just so pitiful. Do it to me if you want, I can take it. But 2 teenage girls and a teenage guy, just kids - and what they were saying, wasnt racist at all. It had nothing to do with race.

I don't agree that One Nation were/are complete idiots. There are a small proportion of their policies that I agree with. Like Gaybriel was saying yesterday, I can find some policies from all parties that I agree with, just not enough to give any of them my vote. I now vote exclusively independent, but give who ever is elected the benefit of my regular opinion.

We definitely need more political parties on the scene and/or more independents.

Could you explain further the comment that "Being against ALL immigration is a sensible policy."

Sure the media are jerks and liars. But were these three part of the group that "ganged up" on others. If they were then they behaved like idiots, I have no problem with them being portrayed as fools.

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:04am:


No, they were just people on the beach that were snapped in a photo.

To say that in a country that can barely provide enough water for its own needs that we dont need any more people, is eminently sensible. Its not my view. My view is job style immigration. You interview people for the position of citizens, and you take the best candidates.

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:10am:


Comparison puts things into perspective so if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a muslim.

tallowood wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:14am:


Hmmm. Being shot to death I'm sure is better than being burnt to death. But I prefer to avoid either one.

Just because others do it, let them look like fools. If we do it as well, we've merely validated their behaviour. Better to take note and stop them coming here with that nonsense.

Thou shalt not join multitudes to commit evil.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:42am:

If all you know of them is that they were not doing the right thing, then how is it that you presume they're proud to be Australian?

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:14am:


I don't KNOW exactly what they felt or thought was their motivation. But I am left doubting their ability to know what pride and being Australian means.

Their pride could certainly be misguided and I do doubt their ability to display it in an appropriate matter but I would still prefer this over left wing students burning our flag.

Love your sig...

" The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weak, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel."

Mugabe says TRUE.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:36am:

What have they done that is traitorous? How have they committed treason? They've burnt cloth not betrayed the state.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

How about criticising the government or speaking badly of the monarch?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:58am:


Pride in your country is meant to give you a feeling of empowerment, or it's not true pride. Nobody thinks they can do what they want because they are wearing their flag, nor did I say anything of the sort.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:


A flag is a peice of cloth, no more, no less. If you feel so much offence and uproar over the burning of a cloth, then I suggest that perhaps you suffer from some low self esteem issues, or maybe even a lack of identity.

Lestat wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:30am:


You need to be shot for treason Lestat.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


Thats just it, its just a symbol. Colours to distinguish Australia from other contries.

Those people you know fought for our country, not a piece of cloth which is, as you said, just symbolic.

The flag does not represent anything, you should not be clinging to it as some sort of badge of identity.

If the Australian flag is changed in the next decade (as has been suggested), what does this mean. Has 'What this country stands for' been changed, if the flag has changed?

Would the new flag stir in you the same emotions as the old flag.

Would you show the same anger if the old flag was burnt, or alternatively if the new flag was burnt?

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


The fact that you would feel such anger if someone burnt a peice of cloth tells me that you have issues. Whether they are self esteem, or identity, I don't know.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


Not agreeing with an issue is a bit different to what you described. I also don't agree with burning flags, any flags. I think its silly, and really, just a symbolic gesture by people who also perhaps have self esteem issues, with the aim to anger others.

But really, it is silly and a rather pointless and futile excersise. So I disagree with it, do I feel anger. Definately not...why should I feel anger?

Like I said, it is just a symbolic piece of cloth...something to identify a country during the olympics.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


Sorry, but I don't see the analogy.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


lol..you really think that this was a personal insult?

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am:


I haven't invalidated your opinion at all. Your entitled to it, I just believe its silly to be angry over the burning of a piece of cloth. Don't get me wrong....its not an attack on you, its a common theme all over the world.

DILLIGAF wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 12:06pm:


hahahaha...good one.

You should be proud of your country Phil...and not need to resort to a piece of cloth to express that pride.

heck, why do you need to express it anyway. An alias like 'Aussie Nationalist'...why the need to share with the rest of us that you are a proud Australian?

Isn't it enough to know this yourself. Does somehow announcing it to the world make you feel more 'patriotic'.

Why the need for acceptance?

No need to lie Les...  we all know why Muslim Arabs burn efigies and flags...  we all can read the hatred on their faces when they do it... tell your lies to someone else.

You are an idiot...  pride for/of a country is obviously displayed through display and feelings for its symbols.

You need to find a country you can be proud of and leave this one.

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 12:06pm:


Absolutely, the staged indignation and deliberate vilification and misrepresentation of ON would have been amusing if they weren't just serving their own political existence. Which was basically the seasonal sharing of power between two parties. It suited the media mogels agendas and the public lapped it up. Democracy was hijacked, whether you like ON or not.

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 12:06pm:


Your not suggesting that these three little Einsteins would have been able to put forward that argument are you Grendale. My ability to believe is just not that elastic.

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Which I am.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:22pm:


Its only treason if this form of defiance is expressed by a muslim,.....cause even though they maybe born and bred here, they aren't real 'aussies'.

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:59pm:

It was a little tongue-in-cheek actually. Sorry, I don't often use emoticons. I feel its a dumbed-down way to convey meaning.