Australian Politics Forum - Islamic immigration

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #15 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 6:39am Ummm... that's not my quote Mozz... better stop skimming eh?
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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #16 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 7:30am Haha, I should have wiped the sleep from my eyes, it seems I was doing a little projecting, oops, my apologies.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51086 At my desk.	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #17 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 7:36am Quote: Actually, isn't the fact most Muslim women refuse to wear Australian clothes, and are such a 'visibile' example of Muslims not integrating, one of the most often repeated concerns about Islam in Australia? I think it's pretty far down the list, and for different reasons.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #18 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am

Lestat wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 7:50pm:

locutius wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 12:33pm:

No I have not heard anything to that effect but I thought that this was interesting while I was searching.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2007/1853198.htm

I did hear about debate on the intake of Sudanese immigrants due to their high resistance to intergrating and high levels of crime. Must admit that I was actually surprised by the mention of this as a parlimentary topic as most of the gutless wonders run a mile if the is the wiff of an accusation of racial, religious or cultural discrimination.

You do realise that the majority of these Sudanese immigrants are Christians...don't you.

Does this change your views? Probably not, blacks are only marginally above muslims in the pecking order...huh locutius?

What's the matter Lestat, can't find anything of substance to attack so you add your own flavour of stupid inuendo and then attack that? How bizzarre.

What pecking order are you talking about Lestat? You mean one like the Muslim pecking order that discriminates between believers, non-believers (who read the old book), and non-believers that have no god. That's a pecking order that is part of your accepted dogma. Remember, your prejudices are part of a perfect message ordained by god and apologists.

See, I don't care about their skin colour or their religion. I don't care about my own skin colour or religion.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #19 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:34am It's just latent racism locutius.. he can't help himself. Does it all the time. Abu too.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #20 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:06am

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

What's the matter Lestat, can't find anything of substance to attack so you add your own flavour of stupid inuendo and then attack that? How bizzarre.

Just asked you a question Locutuis....last time I checked that was still allowed.

Instead of getting so defensive how bout you answer the question?

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

What pecking order are you talking about Lestat? You mean one like the Muslim pecking order that discriminates between believers, non-believers (who read the old book), and non-believers that have no god. That's a pecking order that is part of your accepted dogma. Remember, your prejudices are part of a perfect message ordained by god and apologists.

Yeah and? Your point?

As if you don't discriminate according to people beliefs. You have done so a number of times...attacking muslims for beliefs that you don't agree with.

Yet here you are...now attacking muslims for doing the very same thing you have done.

Unlike you though I don't attempt to justify the deaths of innocent civlians according to what race or religon they are.

If the non-muslim is killed by a muslim...I won't blame the deaths on non-muslims. You should try it sometime.

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

See, I don't care about their skin colour or their religion. I don't care about my own skin colour or religion.

The fact that you blame the deaths of innocent muslims on other muslims, despite the fact that it was non-muslims who actually did the killing...shows that you do care about religon.

Your only lieing to yourself locuitus...so lets cut the crap shall we.

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Reply #21 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:12am

ROTFLMAO

Thanks for the heads up Lestat... next time I address a muslim I'll have to remember I'm somewhere in the pecking order.

I don't have one personally, I address everyone as an equal.

I don't look at someone and think hmmm Muslim put them there. Or hmmm Catholic put them there. Or African put them there. Or Australian put them there. Or female put them there.

Strange way to look at life if you ask me.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #22 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:14am Oh and apart from you and Abu who have been addressing this on some religious racist level most of us have been addressing it on a behaviour level.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51086 At my desk.	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #23 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:15am We go to great length in the west to stamp out the sort of discrimination based on sex, religion etc that Islam makes part of it's doctrine.
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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #24 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:31am freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:15am: We go to great length in the west to stamp out the sort of discrimination based on sex, religion etc that Islam makes part of it's doctrine. lol...ironic..given that your site has an abudance of both.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamic immigration Reply #25 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:40am Do you live in a glass house lestat? Just curious the ignorance bit is already obvious.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #26 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:39am

Lestat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:06am:

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

What's the matter Lestat, can't find anything of substance to attack so you add your own flavour of stupid inuendo and then attack that? How bizzarre.

Just asked you a question Locutuis....last time I checked that was still allowed.

Instead of getting so defensive how bout you answer the question?

I did answer the question. I don't care about skin colour because I don't believe or care about racial purity. I don't care about religion because I don't belong to a supersticious cult.

I don't even care that you do, as long as your beliefs are not a threat to my freedom or quality of life. Which quite frankly I think they are in the same way that the Christian church was a threat to freedom and free thinking hundreds of years ago. Fortunately Islam is not the power it once was, and can hopefully be kept politically weak (preferably with out violence) in the same way that all religions should be politically kept down. They are dangerous. Just that some are more dangerous than others.

You think it is a lie. Show it to be a lie. I'll wait.
Lestat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:06am:

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

What pecking order are you talking about Lestat? You mean one like the Muslim pecking order that discriminates between believers, non-believers (who read the old book), and non-believers that have no god. That's a pecking order that is part of your accepted dogma. Remember, your prejudices are part of a perfect message ordained by god and apologists.

Yeah and? Your point?

As if you don't discriminate according to people beliefs. You have done so a number of times...attacking muslims for beliefs that you don't agree with.

Yet here you are...now attacking muslims for doing the very same thing you have done.

Unlike you though I don't attempt to justify the deaths of innocent civlians according to what race or religon they are.

If the non-muslim is killed by a muslim...I won't blame the deaths on non-muslims. You should try it sometime.

What do you mean "My point"? Can you explain to me your confusion.

Of course I discriminate when it comes to beliefs. That's on record many times here. Unlike you with your dogmatic arbitrary discriminations, my discrimations are rational and proportional. For instance I discriminate against pedophiles and people that glory in their own ignorance. The pedophile I would happily dob into police while I simply avoid the company of the satisfied idiot.

Lestat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:06am:

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

See, I don't care about their skin colour or their religion. I don't care about my own skin colour or religion.

The fact that you blame the deaths of innocent muslims on other muslims, despite the fact that it was non-muslims who actually did the killing...shows that you do care about religon.

???????????????????? Huh

Lestat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:06am:

Your only lieing to yourself locuitus...so lets cut the crap shall we.

In what way?

You think it is a lie. Show it to be a lie. I'll wait.

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Reply #27 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 12:19pm

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

I did answer the question. I don't care about skin colour because I don't believe or care about racial purity. I don't care about religion because I don't belong to a supersticious cult.

Sorry...I must of missed all those posts attacking Christians for the actions of a few Sudanese who just so happen to be also Christians.

My apologies....I forgot, you only believe that muslims should be held responsible for the actions of a few.

i guess I was confused.

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

I don't even care that you do, as long as your beliefs are not a threat to my freedom or quality of life. Which quite frankly I think they are in the same way that the Christian church was a threat to freedom and free thinking hundreds of years ago. Fortunately Islam is not the power it once was, and can hopefully be kept politically weak (preferably with out violence) in the same way that all religions should be politically kept down. They are dangerous. Just that some are more dangerous than others.

How are they dangerous? How are my beliefs a threat to your freedom or quality of life.

When you say 'hopefully Islam can be politically weak'...how do you suggest this occurs.

Do you find it acceptable that in order to keep 'Islam politically weak'...muslims in muslim lands are oppressed and persecuted....kept in check by despotic dictators backed by the west.

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

You think it is a lie. Show it to be a lie. I'll wait.

I already have. You blame arabs the deaths of innocent civilians, despite the fact that those who actually did the killing were non-muslims.

I have no doubt that if it was non-muslims being killed....you would not think this way.

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

What do you mean "My point"? Can you explain to me your confusion.

Of course I discriminate when it comes to beliefs. That's on record many times here. Unlike you with your dogmatic arbitrary discriminations, my discrimations are rational and proportional. For instance I discriminate against pedophiles and people that glory in their own ignorance. The pedophile I would happily dob into police while I simply avoid the company of the satisfied idiot.

My confusion is that it appears that with your statement you are attacking muslims for the very same thing that you do.

You say that your discrimiations are 'rational and proportional'....ofcourse you would say that...after all, they're yours aren't they.

They must be rational.

You say that you discriminate against those 'people that glory in their ignorance'. Thats interesting...because as a muslim..I believe that you, in your state of disbelief....are 'glorying in your ignorance'. Just like you...yet for some apparent reason your discrimination is rational, whereas mine is a 'dogmatic arbitary discrimination'.

You believe I am ignorant..I believe you are ignorant, yet your discrimination is justified, whereas mine is not. And to take your double standards and hypocricy even further, you just attacked muslims for discriminationg against others based on belief...yet you have admitted here that you do likewise, albeit with an attempt to justify this discrimination.

And how bout you cut out the generalisations for starters. Are you implying that somehow I wouldn't dob in a peadaphile?

Why do you insist on repeating the same lies time and time again that have been discredited time and time again.

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

???????????????????? Huh

Your post blaming Hamas for the deaths of innocent civilians, despite the fact that it was actually Israel that killed them???

locutius wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:02am:

In what way?

You think it is a lie. Show it to be a lie. I'll wait.

See above.

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Reply #28 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 12:26pm

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How are they dangerous? How are my beliefs a threat to your freedom or quality of life.

Because the settled doctrines of Islam require that all muslims strive through jihad to overthrow infidel governments, beliefs and religions to install allah's government, and christians, jews live as dhimmis under Islamic overlords. Or die if they resist.

That's kind of a dead ender for us infidels. Sorry, I'm not going to respect your beliefs thay say Allah wants me to live under Islamic rule. Pardon me if that offends you, but I'd like to live under secular democracy and not have any jihads, whether stealth jihads or fighting jihads.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #29 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 12:29pm

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How are they dangerous? How are my beliefs a threat to your freedom or quality of life.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

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I already have. You blame arabs the deaths of innocent civilians, despite the fact that those who actually did the killing were non-muslims.

Muslims seem more than keen to blow each other up.

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You say that you discriminate against those 'people that glory in their ignorance'. Thats interesting...because as a muslim..I believe that you, in your state of disbelief....are 'glorying in your ignorance'. Just like you...yet for some apparent reason your discrimination is rational, whereas mine is a 'dogmatic arbitary discrimination'.

I doubt he bel9ieves that you should be unable to testify against him in a court of law.

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