tallowood wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 10:08pm:


yeah you're right we're off topic

any more comments about sheikh hilaly make a new thread please

tallowood wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 10:18pm:


you complained we went off topic and now you're complaining that I agree with you?

if someone gave you diamonds would you complain they weren't pearls?

tallowood wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 10:57pm:


they're all mine

muahahahaha!

are they shiny?

freediver,

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The actions were described as "Islamic" by Calanen, which was quite obviously a deceptive attempt to associate the actions with Islam. In my understanding, the term Islamic refers to something which emanates from the Islamic belief system, not opposing actions which completely contradict it.

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And likewise whether Martin Bryant was misguided from Christianity or not, he still did what he did.... but what does it have to do with Christianity??? Absolutely nothing!!! and this is a realisation you need to extend to Islam, but so far have been incapable of doing, due to your prejudice.

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There are a number of problems with rape and Islam. Let me walk you through them.

While it is true that the sentence for rape (if ever proved) in Islam is severe, women are subjugated to the position of lesser beings under sharia. Rape is about power, and 'property' does what its told. This power imbalance can only lead to more women being subjected to sexual violence.

The second is that like our imam friends, there is a view that women dressed immodestly are asking for it and deserve what they get. That is pretty much every westerner.

The third reason is this. Islam has a long history of saying, and Mohammed said that you could 'take what your right hand possess'. The prize of muslims in the Dar Al Harb, the House of War (where we live) was infidel women they could make their slave girls and rape. We live in the Dar Al Harb, we are infidels - so this presents something of a problem for us.

The fourth reason, is that whatever the reason, there is tangible evidence to link Islamic immigrants to an over representation in crimes of rape, and usually (although not always) against infidel women. This means there is a big problem, and we better face up to it. Quickly.

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They were seeking to lessen or excuse one of the most heinous organised crimes ever committed in our community. It was meticulously planned, committed with the utmost callousness and orchestrated with a large number of like minded individuals. It also caused the community to live in fear for a number of years until they were caught.

55 years was fine as far as I am concerned. Judge Finnane got it right.

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Did you read what he said? He was talking about immodestly dressed women as well tempting muslims. Most of us can keep our things in our pants just because a girl is not wearing a burqua.

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I dont know the case you are referring to. But the difference would be premeditation, and the degree of conspiracy. Skaf orchestrated rapes on predominantly Australian women, because they were Australian, with a large number of people as part of a well rehearsed plan. That is something the law punishes severely, well at least our law does. If you believe Saudi justice is better, our airports are available to take you there at any time.

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If they were part of a worldwide christian jihad, then maybe people would. But there is a worldwide islamic jihad against the west, and this is just one part of it.

Calling it biggotted garbage, or racism or whatever - wont make the problem go away. It is just more obfuscation to defend the indefenisble.

Criminologist: immigrants are rape champions

If one leading expert is to be believed, the sharp rise in the number of rapes in this over the last 5 years is largely attributable to a group of unemployed and alienated immigrants. 'Over the last 5-10 years there has an increasing tendency to marginalise and alienate immigrants,' says Professor Flemming Balvig, a criminologist at Copenhagen University. 'As a result, many second generation immigrants have reacted against this through various types of criminal activity, including rape.'

Muslim rape concern

Alarmed at last week's police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority, leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls.

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn’t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called "smiley". It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

Hijab, the Islamic veil, is thus not ”just a piece of cloth”. It serves as a demarcation line between proper, submissive Muslim women and whores, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the movement. Judged in the light of the Mufti who said that women who don’t wear it are asking for rape, how on earth can the veil be said to be about ”choice”? The freedom to choose not to be raped if you dress in a normal fashion in your own country? Is that what freedom is about in Europe in 2005?

Even though Sweden, unlike Denmark, has almost no public debate about immigration, frustration is very much present underneath the surface. 75 % of Swedes think that many people in their country “dislike” Muslims, more than in any other European nation surveyed. Even in Holland, which recently witnessed violent clashes with Muslims after the murder of Islam-critic Theo van Gogh, the rate is lower than in Sweden. But you’re not supposed to talk about such issues in Sweden. That would be “racist”:

Swedish laws prohibiting "hate speech" against racial minorities have been vigorously enforced. There have, for example, been a number of gang-rapes of Swedish women by Muslim immigrants. But Swedes must be careful what they say about them. On May 25, neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist was convicted and sentenced to two months in prison for writing, "I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes." ["Jag tror inte jag är ensam om att må dåligt när jag läser om hur svenska tjejer har våldtagits av invandrarhorder"]

All in all, we must say that there is strong circumstantial evidence indicating that the rise in rape charges in the city of Malmö could very well be real, which puts the Malmö Police assertion that this is “great news” in a rather curious light. And the problem is not just limited to Sweden. It exists in Norway, too:

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

The 'main' thread about the alleged rape epidemic:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1227660129