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100's of muslim apostates, murdered in the 'West'
Nov 26th, 2008 at 10:42am
 
100's of muslim apostates are being murdered in the 'West'.

Why won't the West, stop these murders of muslim apostates, in the West?


A GALLERY OF VICTIMS.....

".....And the thing is, this is the end - the final act, the culmination of the subjugation, oppression, violent abuse of women in Islam."
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/islam-killing-o.html



Many Western police forces are paralysed, by their own politically correct efforts to avoid being labelled as culturally insensitive, or 'racist'.

In the UK, the police don't want to get involved in the 'cultural matters' of others.....

Murder girl's five cries for help that were ignored
By FIONA BARTON and STEPHEN WRIGHT
11th June 2007
Five police officers are under investigation after a series of terrible blunders left a young Muslim woman at the mercy of killers in her own family.
....It also emerged that in the two months before her death she had warned police four times that she believed her family wanted to murder her.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461280/Murder-girls-cries-help-ignored.h...


The Times
February 05, 2005
Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family
By Anthony Browne
While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder
For police, religious authorities and politicians, it is an issue so sensitive that they are accused by victims of refusing to respond to appeals for help.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece?token=null&offset=0&p...





Many young muslim women are being murdered by family members, because they seek to escape the stifling control ISLAM has over their lives [exercised through their male family members].

And young muslim women in particular are being targeted, because of their vulnerability, and powerlessness.

These young women are being killed, because they are [easy] 'targets of opportunity', within the muslim community.

From the Hadith.....

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.10...


"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...





These are not 'honor' killings.


THIS IS THE KILLING OF APOSTATES, WITHIN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY - IN THE WEST.

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110



WHY IS THIS 'CULTURAL' ABUSE, AND MURDER, BEING TOLERATED BY AUTHORITIES, AND GOVERNMENTS, IN THE WEST?

THESE LOVERS OF SHARIA, SHOULD BE STOPPED, FROM BRINGING THEIR EVIL CULTURE HERE.

TODAY, IT IS THEIR DAUGHTERS WHO ARE BEING ABUSED, AND MURDERED.

IF YOU IGNORE THIS TODAY,
....THEN 'TOMORROW', IT WILL BE YOUR DAUGHTERS WHO ARE BEING ABUSED AND MURDERED.



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A Muslim rape epidemic [is] sweeping over Europe
-- and over many other nations host to immigrants from the Islamic world. The direct connection between the rapes and Islam is irrefutable, as Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists and rape suspects. The Muslim perpetrators themselves boast that their crime is justified since their victims were, among other things, not properly veiled.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD7...


Uncovered Meat and Rape: Condemning an Honest, innocent Cleric
by MA Khan
02 Nov, 2006

http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/UncoveredMeat.htm




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Re: 100's of muslim apostates, murdered in the 'West'
Reply #1 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 11:40am
 
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Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists


Can you back that up?
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Reply #2 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 11:43am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 11:40am:
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Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists


Can you back that up?



FD,

That statement was quoted from the article i linked to, in my post....

i.e.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD7...



I have previously read that much of the mainstream media in Europe will NOT cover many of these incidents of muslim rape.

Because the topic is too sensitive to report, particularly because these incidents involve muslims.
....[perhaps some of the media in Europe are so intimidated by threats against Popes, and cartoonists, etc, that they now avoid many 'muslim' incidents / stories completely ???]





see also,

Google,
Muslim rape epidemic sweeping over Europe norway sweden
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Muslim+rape+epidemic+sweeping+over+Europ...
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Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 11:55am
 
So you can't back it up?
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Reply #4 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 12:24pm
 
You are doubting this because?

Oh that's right if FD hasn't heard of it it's not reality..

Sorry fd, been a fact for years that rape has increased due the the Influx of muslims in Western societies.  I have heard of it in European countries for decades...  France even had a term for it... gang rape in particular  "take your turn"...  "tournante"  it was widely reported in Norway and Sweden also.  We even had it here.

A little bit of googling on your behalf would end your ignorance.
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Reply #5 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 12:28pm
 
I am doubting this because it sounds like BS.

Google will only tell me how popular it is as a topic, not whether it is true. I want to know whether it is true. I want to know whether you can back up the claim with anything more than examples. Examples don't make a trend.
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Reply #6 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 12:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 11:55am:
So you can't back it up?





Muslim Rape Statistics In Oslo, Raping Europe
March 5, 2007
While researching Danish riots, I wandered off topic for a second time. This time to Norway and an interesting article concerning the rate of rapes committed in Oslo. Muslims are responsible for a disproportionately high number of rapes. Just how many?
Six Times More Likely To Rape
It seems that rapists are six times more likely to be Muslims than native Norwegians in Oslo, Norway. This is according to an article on The Brussels Journal: The Essential European Blog.
http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/muslim-rape-statistics-in-oslo-raping...



Raped in Oslo
From the desk of Fjordman on Wed, 2006-12-13
There has been an explosive increase in the number of rape charges in the city of Oslo, but both the media and the authorities consistently refuse to tell us why. They did do so, however, in 2001, when two out of Norway's three largest newspapers, Aftenposten and Dagbladet, reported that most of these rape charges involve an immigrant perp, which again mostly means Muslims. Both newspapers have since then conveniently “forgotten” about this, and have never connected the issue to Muslim immigration although the number of rape charges has continued to rise to historic levels. They are thus at best guilty of extreme incompetence, since their former articles about this issue are still available online.
Norway’s Minister of Justice from 2001 to 2005, Odd Einar Dørum, mentioned the problem in 2001 but has later gone quiet about the issue.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754


FD,

There may be other sources available, but clearly some of these articles are not published in English.

And due to the sensitivity of these 'ethnic' incidents perhaps we should take the cue from our European brothers, and just shut up about this???

Self censorship is a wonderful thing isn't it?

And it seems that this, is what some of the European media is doing [self censorship], when 'confronting' incidents involving their muslim co-community members arise.




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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 12:56pm
 
Two points:

1) It appears to be based on an extremely small sample size, so that one criminal alone could completely alter the outcome.

2) It appears to confuse foreigners and immigrants. Foreigners committing rapes could just as easily refer to drunk Australian tourists.

This is hardly enough evidence to justify such broad generalisations.
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Reply #8 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 1:13pm
 

the facts there are quite concrete to me.

totally in synch with the sexist treatment against women elsewhere in the world in muslim countries.
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The facts are based on a poorly translated throwaway comment that was never intended to be a generalisation. It was a specific comment on a very small number of rapes over a very short period of time. Suppose I say I shared a jail cell with 5 aborigines and 4 white men. Would that justify a claim that 50% of people in jail are aborigines? No. It is merely a comment about the people I shared a jail cell with.

It does not back up the original claim about Muslims and rape in any way. In fact, it is a good example of Chinese wispers in action. As the claim got translated and passed on, it got more and more absurd until it no longer resembled the original claim in any way.
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freediver wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 1:32pm:
The facts are based on a poorly translated throwaway comment that was never intended to be a generalisation......It does not back up the original claim about Muslims and rape in any way......



I have to concede, that i doubt i can find clear set of statistics showing an influx of muslim men, and an increase in rape in Europe.

Perhaps where those type of statistics may have been collated, and released, in the past, they are deemed too controversial to release today?

A withholding of ugly truths, for the sake of inter-community harmony?

Do you doubt that the mainstream media, and governments in Europe are not reporting, and are actively suppressing such information from the public....'for the publics own good'.



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Men rape women.

Non-muslim men and muslim men.

But the Sudan Govt has claimed that devout muslim men are different.....


Darfur Women Describe Gang-Rape Horror
".....KALMA, Sudan - The seven women pooled money to rent a donkey and cart, then ventured out of the refugee camp to gather firewood, hoping to sell it for cash to feed their families. Instead, they say, in a wooded area just a few hours walk away, they were gang-raped, beaten and robbed.
......In May, after the top U.N. human rights official charged that Sudanese soldiers had raped at least 15 Darfur women during one recent incident, Justice Minister Mohammed Ali al-Mardi asked where the evidence was.
"We always seem to get sweeping generalizations, without naming the injured, without naming the offenders," he told reporters."
"...Sudan's government denies arming and unleashing the janjaweed, and bristles at the charges of rape, saying its conservative Islamic society would never tolerate it..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/27/AR2007052700634_...





Further,
A very good, but disturbing article, exploring the issue of rape as a weapon, in conflicts......

May 14th, 2008 9:29 am
What Is Justice for A Rape Victim?

http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/05/14/what-is-justice-for-a-rape-vic...



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Yadda wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 3:50pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 26th, 2008 at 1:32pm:
The facts are based on a poorly translated throwaway comment that was never intended to be a generalisation......It does not back up the original claim about Muslims and rape in any way......



I have to concede, that i doubt i can find clear set of statistics showing an influx of muslim men, and an increase in rape in Europe.

Perhaps where those type of statistics may have been collated, and released, in the past, they are deemed too controversial to release today?

A withholding of ugly truths, for the sake of inter-community harmony?

Do you doubt that the mainstream media, and governments in Europe are not reporting, and are actively suppressing such information from the public....'for the publics own good'.


oh please yadda- that is the silliest thing you've said yet.

muslim men are not over represented in rape crimes, or in crime in general.

if you want to say that rape and other atrocities are much more common in war torn countries- then yes, obviously that would be true. and yes rape has always been used as a tactic of war, as a weapon, as a way of breaking down a people, as ethnic cleansing etc etc- this again has nothing to do with muslims, it has to do with the nature of war and the environment it produces.

rape is a product of such harsh and extreme situations. one need only look at the prevalence of rape in refugee camps to realise this.
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I have to concede, that i doubt i can find clear set of statistics showing an influx of muslim men, and an increase in rape in Europe.


I would be looking for statistics about the religious convictions of convicted rapists, at the time they committed the offense.

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Perhaps where those type of statistics may have been collated, and released, in the past, they are deemed too controversial to release today?


You cannot unrelease information.

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Do you doubt that the mainstream media, and governments in Europe are not reporting, and are actively suppressing such information from the public....'for the publics own good'.


I doubt they are reporting it, but I also doubt they are actively suppressing it.

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yes rape has always been used as a tactic of war


Not always.
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often, commonly etc
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Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 4:41pm
 
I wonder if the Islamic policy of forcing people off their land and taking the women as sex slaves was an effective military tactic, in that it made people hesitant to want to take on the caliphate. Rape and pillage is one thing, but that takes it to a whole new level.
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