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Rethinking Observed Warming
Dec 11^th, 2008 at 11:55am

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/12/03/rethinking-observed-warming/

Believe it or not, it is possible that aspects of the traditional greenhouse gas explanation could be largely wrong, and if you think we are crazy, let’s visit an article just published in the prestigious journal Climate Dynamics.

“Evidence is presented that the recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land.”

Stating “global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined” is an interesting way to report that the entire global warming – greenhouse gas buildup link (largely unchallenged) may be a quite a bit off. Time will tell, but don’t look for a lot of press coverage coming from the Poland meeting of this interesting research challenging the gospel of global warming.

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Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:14pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2008 at 11:55am:

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/12/03/rethinking-observed-warming/

Believe it or not, it is possible that aspects of the traditional greenhouse gas explanation could be largely wrong, and if you think we are crazy, let’s visit an article just published in the prestigious journal Climate Dynamics.

“Evidence is presented that the recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land.”

Stating “global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined” is an interesting way to report that the entire global warming – greenhouse gas buildup link (largely unchallenged) may be a quite a bit off. Time will tell, but don’t look for a lot of press coverage coming from the Poland meeting of this interesting research challenging the gospel of global warming.

Stating “global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined” is an interesting way to report that the entire global warming – greenhouse gas buildup link (largely unchallenged) may be a quite a bit off. Time will tell, but don’t look for a lot of press coverage coming from the Poland meeting of this interesting research challenging the gospel of global warming.

Stating “global warming may not be occurring in quite the manner one might have imagined” is an interesting way to report that the entire global warming – greenhouse gas buildup link (largely unchallenged) may be a quite a bit off. Time will tell, but don’t look for a lot of press coverage coming from the Poland meeting of this interesting research challenging the gospel of global warming.

Now you're definitely sounding like a broken record Grin

Let me dissect what that report is saying further, but it seems unlikely that the oceans could drive anything. There is a conserable lag between the thermal behaviour of oceans and land due to thermal inertia.
(ΔH°= smΔt)

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Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:34pm

I'm a broken record?????

Pot, kettle..... black.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

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Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:35pm

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See Full report Here: & See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' ]

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:36pm It's hard to take a group of scientists seriously if they take Al Gore seriously.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #5 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:43pm rotflmao YOU left off the UN fd... how disingenuous of you... and typical of the debate. many people in the world took Gore and take Gore very seriously after all the movie/doco/propaganda piece did propel the issue. Oh and he did get a Nobel prize. So puhlease... do leave off eh.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41862 Gender:	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #6 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:51pm Grendel - it sounds as though the article insinuates the oceans are causing global warming. I agree with muso. Very hard to imagine the oceans drive anything.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #7 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 7:27am Grendel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2008 at 12:34pm: I'm a broken record????? Pot, kettle..... black. Mate, slow down and look at the last three paragraphs of your first post. That's what I meant - ok?
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Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 10:06am

Lots of things affect climate sprint... and the system reacts in various ways to these changes, that's the whole point.

I'm still pretty open minded about the whole thing unlike muso and fd. Who seem to need an enemy to berate for dissenting their pseudo-religious belief. They admit they have no PROOF for their belief, and belittle others who ask for some proof. I myself, like to have some proof for things like this.

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Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 10:34am

There is such a thing as being too open minded. Sometimes it helps to be critical of what you are reading. You copy and paste a lot of illogical articles against AGW without apprently thinking about what they say, to the extent that you will post articles that directly contradict each other. And no matter how many times I point out the absurdity of "frost this morning, therefor no global warming" you still seem unable to recognise this line of argument and repost it everytime you find it presented in a slightly different form.

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Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 11:01am

LOL... oh dear don't let me reproduce the opinions and thoughts of other people or scientists etc... oh no... that may be some sort of environmental sin.

Stop wasting my time all you do is post ad hom and nonsense.

YOU have no PROOF for your belief the one you continually deny when asked.

As for the "frost' rubbish you keep posting... you are only fooling fools and making yourself more disingenuous and ridiculous in my eyes.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 11:02am You are welcome to reproduce them. I just think it would be of great value if you were a bit more critical and selective, rather than regurgitating anti anti-AGW tripe you stumble across on the internet.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 11:06am dwmt....
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 11:10am toodles
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rethinking Observed Warming Reply #14 - Dec 12^th, 2008 at 11:17am You flaming me again? (mod: deleted. Personal attacks and gratuitous profanities will not be tolerated) Typical of a hypocritical moderator.
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