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'Simpsons' sex toon is child porn: Judge
Dec 8th, 2008 at 12:55pm
 
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A man charged over cartoons showing sex acts involving children modelled on The Simpsons characters has failed to have his child pornography convictions overturned.

In the NSW Supreme Court on Monday, Justice Michael Adams ruled a fictional cartoon character was a "person" within the meaning of the relevant state and Commonwealth laws.

In February, Alan John McEwan was convicted in Parramatta Local Court of possessing child pornography and using his computer to access child pornography.

"The alleged pornography comprised a series of cartoons depicting figures modelled on members of the television animated series The Simpsons," the judge said.

The cartoons showed characters like Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson having sex.

The man was convicted and fined $3,000 and placed on a good behaviour bond.

"In my view, the magistrate was correct in determining that, in respect of both the Commonwealth and the NSW offences, the word 'person' included fictional or imaginary characters ...," the judge said.

"... the mere fact that the figure depicted departed from a realistic representation in some respects of a human being did not mean that such a figure was not a 'person'."

In dismissing the appeal, the judge ordered each party to pay its own legal costs as this was the first case dealing with this "difficult" issue.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=683689&rss=yes

I've got these pictures somewhere in my inbox. Am I going to get arrested?
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:07pm
 
You definitely shouldn't have anything like that at work. I'd be deleting them ASAP if I were you.
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:19pm
 
I have portable wireless internet and a web based email account, and have for a few years. The wireless is registered to a company I have never worked for, yet I get unrestricted use of it, legally. So the images are not on my hard disk.

Will I be safe?

If I forward them, can I get done for distribution of CP?
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Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
No you are not safe. If you did forward it, contact the people you sent it to by phone and tell them to delete it. Delete it from your web based email too. Then empty your trash and hope the service provider doesn't keep records for a long time. Chances are the various service providers will start searching for these images on their servers.

If you viewed the images at all they could still be on your hard disk - eg in your temporary internet files etc. Even if you delete it from there a good IT guy can still show that it was on your computer.
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Reply #4 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 2:02pm
 
Does it help if my reply to the email was along the lines of "Don't send me this filth!"?

Also, this stuff is all over the internet. Access to the internet means you have access to this stuff.

I doubt I forwarded it.

I've got gmail and gigs of emails in there. It will be hard to scan all my emails. I'll have a look though.

I have this program called Eraser or something like that. You delete files, then set eraser up for when you go to bed, and it overwrites your free disk space like a zillion times with random nonsense code, and then it even wipes the magnet on the drive. IT guys can't get through that.
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Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
According to Law and Order, they don't always work either. But good luck. I would expect that if you showed 'good faith' then the cops would not prosecute you. Unless of course they are out to get you, in which case you are screwed.
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 9:19am
 
The Courier Mail actually posted one of the pictures in its article. Now everybody that read it will be guilty of possessing it because it's in their cache.
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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:17am
 
That's odd. Was it before the verdict? Maybe it was one of the images not deemed to be pornographic, or they edited it sufficiently. They wouldn;t do that with any other child porn. Do they have the image online?
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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:29am
 
I haven't seen the images in question, but it is hard to imagine cartoon characters as being sexual.

I know some pc game type anime artists create very lifelike images, but I would not include 'Simpsons" style cartoons as being realistic interpretations.
I guess a lot would depend on how they are done, but it does seem a little over they top, if they were meant to be humourous rather than pornographic.
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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 8:57pm
 
I'm waiting for the Lisa Simpson "Finally 18" pictorial in FHM  Wink Roll Eyes...
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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2008 at 8:31am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:17am:
That's odd. Was it before the verdict? Maybe it was one of the images not deemed to be pornographic, or they edited it sufficiently. They wouldn;t do that with any other child porn. Do they have the image online?


I'm not even going to look for it, let alone provide a link.
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Reply #11 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:58pm
 
ah yeah man I've seen stuff like this. it's everywhere

just google 'inspector gadget' without safesearch on and there's an image of him having sex with his daughter- it's pretty nasty man and you can find it easy

frickin weird if you ask me
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Reply #12 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:29pm
 
Holy crap, I thought that whole lolicon thing was just an urban legend.

Haha, I guess now if I want to put Australia into anarchy all I gotta' do is spam everybody's inbox with cartoon porn. It'll be just like Atlas Shrugged!

Sept no rape inducing enlightenment.


....Or will there? Grin


But in all seriousness. That's fricking lame. I know you guys don't have freedom of speech like we do. But that's why you need to get pissed off and break poo. That's just unacceptable man. It's not like their real kids.

And even if they were. Who cares? Owning porn in and of itself shouldn't be a crime. The girl I voted for in the libertarian primaries was Mary Ruwart. Her position was that owning evidence to a crime doesn't make you a criminal. If that were the case, everyone who watches Cops is a criminal.

I mostly have shotacon on my computer.

Lolicon=Little girls
Shotacon=Little boys

Granted since it's manga, you wouldn't know the difference till the pants come off.
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Reply #13 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:32am
 
if you have child porn you are supporting the child porn industry and thus supporting the crime of child abuse and pedophilia- end of story

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Reply #14 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:11am
 
Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:32am:
if you have child porn you are supporting the child porn industry and thus supporting the crime of child abuse and pedophilia- end of story


Well that's under the pretense that it's abuse.

I only consider it abuse if it's actually hurting someone. Where they cry, whimper, shake, and die.

Pedophilia for me falls into the same category as rape. It's wrong, but then so are alot of things. But you don't see the law getting involved with them.

Unless it's outright murder, the law should meet situations with cold apathy. Because frankly, people lie. They lie, they excaggerate, and they're only involved to get back at somebody else. It's all alot of personal drama really. And they think the law enforcement is their personal army.

I should know, I'm an officer. Every five minutes someone's whining to me cause there's an argument or a "domestic disturbance".

Figure out for yourselves. Jesus Christ. You don't need me. I'm just here to make sure people aren't stealing poo.
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