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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #60 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:10pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Interesting topic...
I've heard it said that Muslims are Satan's people.
That Mohammed was indeed visited in a cave but not by an angel, who would have appeared in the light, but by a demon secreted in the dark of a cave, out of sight of the world, and was taught the words of the great deceiver, which is why the Koran is such a confused piece and why there are so many exhortations to violence and that temptation is used to inspire such acts etc.  That is why lying is recommended...  etc, etc.  Which is why it claims to be the new complete word of God, what better way to set up the final conflict, of man against man.


Right, as opposed to the pristine Holy Bible which has lead its followers like chuckes up there to justify genocide.
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Reply #61 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:53pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Didn't Satan appear to Christ in the desert after 40 days and 40 nights of fasting?  Not too much darkness in the desert.

Grendel, you thinly veiled repeat of the same hackneyed old attacks on Islam merely show your prejudices.   Grin  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Sorry Jnr, I didn't veil anything...  I may have missed something and not got the phrasing 100% right but most of it is there.
As for Jesus and Satan...  were there people around?  Do you think that perhaps tempting the Son of God is perhaps bigger bickies than say tempting an ordinary man.  Seems to me you are arguing apples and oranges again.
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Reply #62 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:55pm
 
wally1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 5:47pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Interesting topic...
I've heard it said that Muslims are Satan's people.
That Mohammed was indeed visited in a cave but not by an angel, who would have appeared in the light, but by a demon secreted in the dark of a cave, out of sight of the world, and was taught the words of the great deceiver, which is why the Koran is such a confused piece and why there are so many exhortations to violence and that temptation is used to inspire such acts etc.  That is why lying is recommended...  etc, etc.  Which is why it claims to be the new complete word of God, what better way to set up the final conflict, of man against man.


Angels can come at any time of the day. Mohamed and his companions did see angels in there time in the middle of the day

Moses also punched one of the angels.

I think you are missing the main points there wally...  wanna try again?
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Reply #63 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 7:12pm
 
here ya go wally found something for you to read...
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch11_the_dark_nature.htm

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Reply #64 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 12:38pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Didn't Satan appear to Christ in the desert after 40 days and 40 nights of fasting?  Not too much darkness in the desert.

Grendel, you thinly veiled repeat of the same hackneyed old attacks on Islam merely show your prejudices.   Grin  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Sorry Jnr, I didn't veil anything...  I may have missed something and not got the phrasing 100% right but most of it is there.
As for Jesus and Satan...  were there people around?  Do you think that perhaps tempting the Son of God is perhaps bigger bickies than say tempting an ordinary man.  Seems to me you are arguing apples and oranges again.


How so?  Satan was claimed to be a creature of darkness yet the desert is an awfully bright place and he appeared there to tempt Christ!   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #65 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:53pm
 
Darkness represents evil

Light represets righteousness 

Going on the present day actions of muslims around the globe, they certainly live in darkness.
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Reply #66 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:18pm
 
Are you saying that the Bible isn't the literal word of God?  That when it says darkness or light, it's talking in metaphors?  Got any evidence of that?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #67 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm
 
No I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

The Bible consists of prophecies, parallels, parables etc.
They are not actual instructions. the idea is to look for the spiritual meaning.
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #68 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Darkness represents evil

Light represets righteousness 

Going on the present day actions of muslims around the globe, they certainly live in darkness.




Luke 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20  And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21  And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


Matthew 4:12
Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
13  And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
14  That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15  The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16  The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.


Isaiah 9:2
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.




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It is so difficult for men to do what they should, to do what is right.

But even so, God is able [and he willingly chooses], to hold us up. [Psalms 23]

But others he chooses, to simply discard.

Why so.

Because they are judged to be, worthless.

They are devoured in the fire.



Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Isaiah 5:18
Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19  That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21  Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22  Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23  Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
24  Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #69 - Dec 6th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm:
No I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

The Bible consists of prophecies, parallels, parables etc.
They are not actual instructions. the idea is to look for the spiritual meaning.


You mean like in the Koran?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #70 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 1:24pm
 
No. the qur'an is acknowledged as the literal word of allah, handed down to muhammad. Isn't allah supposed to have a copy of it in his paradise?

So it's pretty clear: Literal commands from allah in the qur'an.

While the Bible uses: Symbols, prophecies, parallels and parables. To impart a spiritual message
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Reply #71 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 2:41pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 12:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Didn't Satan appear to Christ in the desert after 40 days and 40 nights of fasting?  Not too much darkness in the desert.

Grendel, you thinly veiled repeat of the same hackneyed old attacks on Islam merely show your prejudices.   Grin  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Sorry Jnr, I didn't veil anything...  I may have missed something and not got the phrasing 100% right but most of it is there.
As for Jesus and Satan...  were there people around?  Do you think that perhaps tempting the Son of God is perhaps bigger bickies than say tempting an ordinary man.  Seems to me you are arguing apples and oranges again.


How so?  Satan was claimed to be a creature of darkness yet the desert is an awfully bright place and he appeared there to tempt Christ!   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin

You read too many comic books and believe too many ignorant childish depictions...

Satan/Lucifer was an Angel.

you need re-education in a major, major way.
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Reply #72 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 2:43pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
moses wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm:
No I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

The Bible consists of prophecies, parallels, parables etc.
They are not actual instructions. the idea is to look for the spiritual meaning.


You mean like in the Koran?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

Muslims believe the Koran to be the literal word of God not to be changed even in the smallest degree ever.

Like I said...  you need major major re-education.  Cheesy

http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/1193
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Reply #73 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 12:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Didn't Satan appear to Christ in the desert after 40 days and 40 nights of fasting?  Not too much darkness in the desert.

Grendel, you thinly veiled repeat of the same hackneyed old attacks on Islam merely show your prejudices.   Grin  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Sorry Jnr, I didn't veil anything...  I may have missed something and not got the phrasing 100% right but most of it is there.
As for Jesus and Satan...  were there people around?  Do you think that perhaps tempting the Son of God is perhaps bigger bickies than say tempting an ordinary man.  Seems to me you are arguing apples and oranges again.


How so?  Satan was claimed to be a creature of darkness yet the desert is an awfully bright place and he appeared there to tempt Christ!   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin

Wassup?  Suddenly your English has failed you completely?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 8:06pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 2:43pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
moses wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm:
No I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

The Bible consists of prophecies, parallels, parables etc.
They are not actual instructions. the idea is to look for the spiritual meaning.


You mean like in the Koran?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

Muslims believe the Koran to be the literal word of God not to be changed even in the smallest degree ever.


So do some Christians about the bible, Beowulf.   Roll Eyes
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