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Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 10:01am
 
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aboo where is the word detest in anything I said (or say for that matter)

I pointed out to sprint the golden rule is in Islamic text...  something I think you failed to do.

on reflection I added the bit re "brother"...  now if you would like to confirm that "brother" doesn't just mean a fellow Muslim..  go right ahead.

But it seems plain to me and moreso every day I speak with you people that Islam is not as generous as Christianity in its beliefs in that Christianity has rules that are inclusive of everyone not just adherents.
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Reply #16 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 10:08am
 

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the original posting must be correct.


You believed that already before you read the article, you believe it now, and you'll continue believing it, no matter what is posted here. Be honest with yourself at least.
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Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 10:13am
 
Abu do you have quotes from the koran that prove it to be wrong ??

yes/no ??

post them, give references
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Re: The biasedness of islam/mohammad
Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 10:58am
 
Yes yes we know, Muslims lie to non-Muslims to 'advance' Islam, so you don't believe it. Why ask then?

It appears to be limited to lying by omission, or only telling those lies you can get away with. Direct questions seem to get around this.

A Muslim who kills a non-Muslim will face capital punishment, unlike a Jew who kills a non-Jew.

What if the only witnesses are non-Muslims? Wouldn't it be hard to get a conviction without witnesses the court considers trustworthy?

Abu can you blame non-Muslimns for getting it wrong about Islam when direct questions about Islam are met with hostility? If you don't want people to believe what's on these sort of sites, don't go assuming alterior motives or use copouts like 'loaded questions' when people ask you direct questions about Islam.
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Re: The biasedness of islam/mohammad
Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 5:13pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 25th, 2008 at 9:47am:
Grendel what's wrong with putting your brother's welfare before your own? Is that wrong?

That doesn't imply in the slighest that there is lack of respect for non-Muslims, it just says to put the needs of your brother before yourself (to perfect your faith). Like I put the needs of my children before myself... Must I put the needs of your children before myself? Of course not, I have no responsibility whatsoever to do so.

I really can't see what you'd find detestable about that??? Then again, I must admit I don't understand most of your views/sentiments grendel, so that's not that strange.







abu,

You are mistaken.

Kuffar, are kuffar.

And unbelief is inexcusable.

As a good muslim, you must know this.

Yes?



That unbelief is inexcusable, is what ISLAM and Sharia, teaches to all devout muslims.

Koran,

"....those who reject (Allah),- for them is destruction, and (Allah) will render their deeds astray (from their mark).
....those who reject Allah have no protector."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.008
v. 8-11



FURTHER,

The Hadith states that muslims and non-muslims are not to be afforded the same respect by muslims, and by Sharia.

There is a definite [and 'justified'] 'separation' within Sharia jurisdictions, in the treatment of muslims, alongside kuffar.



FOR EXAMPLE....

"The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/083.sbt.html#009.0...

NOTE the words....
".....no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."



"What is written in this paper?......the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

NOTE the words....
"....the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."


The meaning here is pretty clear, and is unambiguous....

1/...Unbelief is inexcusable.

2/...Muslims are innocent [next to kuffar].





Further confirmed,

The blood of an unbeliever may be spilled by a muslim, without consequence.....

The Hadith,

'[whoever] becomes an unbeliever, his blood may legally be spilled....'

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110




And as Grendel has pointed out, the 'Golden Rule' [i.e. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.] does not apply for muslims in their treatment to kuffar, but only applies to their own fellow muslim 'brothers'.



That does not mean of course, that muslims have not, on occasion, behaved kindly towards non-muslims.
....but acting as muslims?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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