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Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:35am
 
Help me out here folks.  There are 3 levels of racism:

1) governmental (state-sponsored) - such as that supported by Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia etc.
2) cultural
3) individual

Racism on an individual level will always exist to some degree everywhere, however cultural racism can be eradicated.

I'm an Aussie of Asian descent who now lives in Canada.  In Canada there is no cultural racism, however in Australia it is very much alive even though there is no governmental racism.

If you want proof of this, simply perform a google image search on "Canadian television advertisement" versus "Australian television advertisement".  In the first page of results, you'll see minority groups in the Canadian search, but you will only find white people after looking through 20 pages in the Aussie search.

Culturally, Australians of all colour see "Australian" as meaning "White Australian".  When I was back in Australia last year, I didn't see one advertisement or billboard that featured a minority - why?  Because minorities don't count in Australia, and they're subconsciously viewed as not true-blue Aussies, even though on an individual level many white Australians are decent and accepting.

Anyway, the reason why I'm saying all this is because whenever I point out that really obvious 2 inch mole on the face, I find "Australians of Asian Descent" (AADs) feeling offended, often saying "this is the place I've chosen to make my home", "you've got to accept the good with the bad" blah blah.

Recently this came about when I read a blog from an AAD (recently naturalized, unlike me who actually grew up in a hyper-racist Australian backwater town) showcasing Brisbane:

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/gallery/0,23816,5035183-17382,00.html

I commented: "how come you only ever see white people in these pictures about Australia.  There's 64 pics on that site!  Nice pics otherwise".

She replied to someone else's reply with something aimed at me, basically saying what I just said AADs always seem to reply with: "I've chosen to make this my home blah blah".

Which finally gets to the point of my post: why is it that Asian Australians like to live in blissful ignorance of the cultural racism in Australia?  I'm quite miffed about this.  I feel that apartheid doesn't exist in South Africa because people spoke up in SA and around the world about the racism.  Racism will never go away in Australia until Australians admit there is a problem.  I think Australians are good people, it's just think that there hasn't been any grassroots movement to fight for the cultural rights of minority Australians.  Australians (both white and minority) call non-white Australians "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Arab" or "African", but they call "white Australians" simply "Australians".  A German first generation immigrant with an Aussie accent will be called an "Australian", but a third generation AAD will be called "Chinese".  This must stop, and I truly believe that if enough people spoke up about it (just like the gay movement in N.America), people's attitudes will change.  All it takes is enough people to speak up!

I don't expect white Australians to do it, but I certainly as heck expect AADs to stand up for themselves, and it frustrates me to no end how gutless AADs generally are.  If this is the first time you've heard this sort of tirade from an AAD, then that proves my point.

If you are a white Australian, I would appreciate you simply spreading the word.  Just ask your friends: why aren't there minorities portrayed in the media?  Why don't we have more minorities in major roles on TV shows?  I think if enough people talked about it, things will change.  I live for a world where people will "see" people for their culture, not their colour.  It doesn't matter where people come from, it's what people identify with that matters.

If you are a minority Australian - have zero tolerance for racism of ANY degree.  Me as an Aussie fighting for minority Australians can only do so much if minority Aussies living in Australia do nothing for themselves.
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Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 5:29am
 
Well I understand where you are coming from, but I do not agree totally with your point.
Sure we have racists, but probably less than many other countries, and probably less cultural racism than most asian countries.
Racism is learned, so I appreciate why the cultural image we portray should be broad enough, to not be a source of racist blueprinting, and many non-white faces are seen across the media these days.

It can get silly sometimes, with ads with mixing in the token ethnic groups to look PC.

We are a predominantly white nation, and to pretend anything else is unrealistic.

I fear that political correctness if too strictly defined, attempts to go the way of cultural shame, by apportioning mass guilt, for unspecified crimes of not promoting every race, in every scenario.

If we go that way, we see a lot of photoshopped images, with Asian eyes, and aboriginal smiles, and middle eastern hands, and southern european feet,superimposed onto our multicultural images.

It would be silly.

All they have to do is keep it real, if there are asians in the shot, fine, if there are not, fine.
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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 6:46am
 
Fakir, what you describe as cultural racism may be actually a blessing in disguise for Asian Australians.
To see it for yourself google images for "obesity Australia". On page 1 no asian faces at all and on page 2 they show an obese mice, which is white. Overall there nearly all obese people are whites. It seems that there is a strong correlation between predominantly white faces in "Australian television advertisement" and in "obesity Australia".


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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 6:51am
 

fakir,

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but how is there state sponsored racism in Saudi Arabia?
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Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 3:11am
 
This post is not aimed at "AEDs" or Australians of European Descent.  I think it's probably unfair to expect AEDs to champion the cause of fairer representation in popular media.  This post is more aimed at the AADs who do nothing or don't care.

I find that generally AADs are so content with their quality of life and so smug about it at the same time that they take offense at anybody pointing out a flaw in their perfect world.  I can think of no other explanation why mentioning the obvious lack of proportionate representation in popular media would be a cause for offense.

I think we should be inspired by gays to see how far they've come with regards to cultural acceptance (as opposed to "tolerance" - there is cultural racial tolerance in Australia, I don't believe there is "acceptance" though) in such a short span of time.  Ask yourself: were they really that disadvantaged to begin with?  One could compare their rights and opportunities with Asians in Australia.  Both groups are equally blessed with abundance and quality of life - what's there to complain about?

But no - gays want more, and they spoke about what they want changed and we see them getting what they want.  AADs on the other hand are complacent and self-satisfied - that's why I haven't seen the kind of changes in Australia as I see in N.American popular media, and that's why AADs respond in an offended matter.

I mean, can you imagine if Nelson Mandela got offended because I spoke up against apartheid in South Africa?  Yet curiously some AADs I have encountered respond in this way!
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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 5:43am
 
I wonder what age you left Australia?

Young males will always put each other down, something to do with hierarchy and dominance, in fact it is not just guys who do this. The short guy will get hassled, the fat guy will get hassled, the red head will get hassled, so naturally so will the Asian, where the short, fat and red haired can also exercise some dominance.

People will also hang it on their mates, making fun of difference and shortcomings is how Australia is. I wouldn't call it racism or anything, you will notice the fat guy, the red haired guy, the short guy is not hated because of their qualities, but instead only teased, it isn't an issue that would cause you to immensely dislike them.

Although racism does exist.

I've found late middle aged North Americans to be the most racist, hating black Americans and saying things like "Stay away from black girls, stick with your own race." after knowing them for 5 minutes.

I've worked on building sites and other rough, blokey places, and I have found the Asian guy will cop it hard, unless someone is angry with him/her, which in that case appearance becomes irrelevant. It's only ribbing and really actually friendly, people looking incessantly for a bite.
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Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 6:14am
 

easel,

You raise a good point here. Even if fakir wasn't Asian he probably would've been hassled for something else no doubt.

But I'd suggest that whilst this isn't uniquely Australian, it doesn't occur as much in other cultures, in fact is virtually non-existent in some cultures, and I think asian cultures generally have very little of this kind of stuff.

I know you probably just think it's just human nature and is the same worldwide, but it ain't necessarily so.
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Reply #8 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 7:04am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 6:14am:
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I think asian cultures generally have very little of this kind of stuff.
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Is it why AADs "choose to live here"?
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Reply #9 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 8:48am
 
Can we drop the silly acronyms please. They are confusing.
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Reply #10 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:03am
 

tallowood,

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Is it why AADs "choose to live here"?


This is a pretty shallow response.
Kind of like saying:

"If people didn't like 100% of every single thing in our culture/society they wouldn't come here, so every single thing in our culture/society must be 100% better than in theirs!! Otherwise they wouldn't be here, simple!!!"
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Reply #11 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:21am
 
I left Australia in my mid 20s.  Of course I've been back many times, and the extent of Australia's lack of racial progressiveness becomes more and more obvious the more time I spend outside Australia.

For your information, this ribbing you describe is uniquely Australian.  Let me clarify: the EXTENT of this ribbing is uniquely Australian.  Furthermore a racial slur is a racial slur.  Although people rib in Canada, the extent is far less, people are far more sensitive and racial slurs (wog, chink etc.) are NEVER uttered.

The difference is that people in CA never say something that makes an individual feel discriminated against.  It's one thing to call someone a "bastard" which could apply to anyone.  It's another to call someone a "wog" which only applies to one person in the room.

And although you think it's fun to do it, trust me - it is NOT fun to be on the receiving end.  I grew up in a backwater town and a group of kids chanted racial slurs at me in front of the whole class.  I grew up wanting to be anything but myself - can you imagine what's that like?  I only grew comfortable with myself after I left Australia, so of course I would naturally have a fighting instinct to fight for the rights of all AADs.

Lastly, regarding the use of these acronyms.  It's sad and it's ridiculous.  I have never heard (not saying it's not used, just never heard it) the phrase "Asian Canadian".  A Canadian is a Canadian.  Heck I'd be happy with "Asian Australian", but no - the only time I've ever been called "Asian Australian" is by other "Asian Australians", and the only time I have ever been called "Australian" is by non-Australians outside Australia, and outside Australia no-one calls me an "Asian Australian".

ie. it's sad that I have to use "AAD" and "AED" but that's Australia for you.  I refuse to fall in the trap by using "Australian" to refer to "white Australian" and "Asian Australian" or "Asian" to refer to any Australian who isn't white.  That's demeaning and the whole problem.  I think it's far more respectful to say "Australian of .... Descent" as it recognizes everyone as equal.  We're all immigrants except for the Aborigines.



easel wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 5:43am:
I wonder what age you left Australia?

Young males will always put each other down, something to do with hierarchy and dominance, in fact it is not just guys who do this. The short guy will get hassled, the fat guy will get hassled, the red head will get hassled, so naturally so will the Asian, where the short, fat and red haired can also exercise some dominance.

People will also hang it on their mates, making fun of difference and shortcomings is how Australia is. I wouldn't call it racism or anything, you will notice the fat guy, the red haired guy, the short guy is not hated because of their qualities, but instead only teased, it isn't an issue that would cause you to immensely dislike them.

Although racism does exist.

I've found late middle aged North Americans to be the most racist, hating black Americans and saying things like "Stay away from black girls, stick with your own race." after knowing them for 5 minutes.

I've worked on building sites and other rough, blokey places, and I have found the Asian guy will cop it hard, unless someone is angry with him/her, which in that case appearance becomes irrelevant. It's only ribbing and really actually friendly, people looking incessantly for a bite.

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Reply #12 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:16am
 
I can't say I've noticed it. I'm sure I've seen ads with people of all races, and I'm pretty sure I've seen ads with Asians in them too.  There was a Subway ad with an Aboriginal guy for one, and Dilmah tea, and I'm sure there are others.

However I agree with you that there is a certain amount of cultural racism in Australia. It's disturbing to find it among younger people too.

I don't think we'll ever eradicate it. What counts is that I don't have a racist cell in my body, and I don't tolerate bigotry from anybody.

I won't use the 'unaustralian' word because I'm not sure what it means, but racism runs contrary to our collective goals as a society.
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Reply #13 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:48am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:03am:
tallowood,

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Is it why AADs "choose to live here"?


This is a pretty shallow response.
Kind of like saying:

"If people didn't like 100% of every single thing in our culture/society they wouldn't come here, so every single thing in our culture/society must be 100% better than in theirs!! Otherwise they wouldn't be here, simple!!!"


A shallow statement .eg. "I think asian cultures generally have very little of this kind of stuff." requires a shallow response.

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Reply #14 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:51am
 
The cultural differences are very real and very consistent. On the other hand, people's reasons for coming to Australia are not consistent, though it is unlikely that they come here so their children can be teased mericlessly.
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