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Reply #60 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:58pm
 
rotflmao
of course no one has ever heard of a rhetorical question.  Roll Eyes
and of course deniers don't need an excuse to ignore the obvious.  Grin

shhhh...  tallowood!
That's heresy!!!!!
What's the sun got to do with climate?
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Reply #61 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:18pm
 
It is odd for a scientist to use a rhetorical question because it creates ambiguity and can easily mislead.
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Reply #62 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:46pm
 
I see no ambiguity in the statement nor a desire to mislead.
Scientists can speak plain English you know if they want to   Grin
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Reply #63 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:50pm
 

maybe he was a muslim scientist  ??

Oh, maybe not, only a single rhetoric question stated and no diversion tactic used .
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Reply #64 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:51pm
 
There is plenty of ambiguity. For example, he appears to create the strawman than only CO2 concentration drives climate change. In his effort to use questionable rhetorical techniques he misleads the public about the science of global warming. He phrases his question in a way that he knows will lead to many people drawing all sorts of incorrect conclusions. Just because a scientist can use misleading rhetorical techniques does not mean they should, especially when they are taking advantage of public ignorance of their topic.
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Reply #65 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:59pm
 
ROTFLMAO

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almost forgot...  snow in the blue mtns in october for the first time in 14 years..

i know i know... it's all part of global warming.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #66 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:41pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:35am:
Letter in yesterday's Oz:

ATMOSPHERIC CO2 is currently 382 parts per million. The Ordovician-Silurian (450-420 million years ago) and Jurassic-Cretaceous (151-132 million years ago) glaciations occurred when the atmospheric CO2 content was more than 4000 and at least 2000 parts per million respectively.
If CO2 drives climate, why was there glaciation and not a runaway greenhouse?

Professor Ian Plimer
School of Earth & Environmental Sciences,
The Mawson Laboratories,
The University of Adelaide, SA





- because things have changed since the Silurian. The laughable thing about that post is that a geologist should know exactly how inaccurate CO2 proxies are from around 450 million years.

Also - think about my earlier question about the natural log relationship and you might be able to answer the question yourself.

(Oh I forgot - you prefer to cut and paste rather than think independently. )

Apart from that, the periods where CO2 concentration was high coincided with periods where the earth had extensive and dense rainforests. Compare that to today and it's obvious that we're dealing with chalk and cheese. Biota provides buffering capacity.

Our proxies for CO2 are about as inaccurate as our proxies for solar irradiance during that period.

CO2 and temperature are inter-related, as I have explained, increase one and the other increases, but hey, let's compare apples with apples.
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Reply #67 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:47pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:58pm:
What's the sun got to do with climate?


A lot. Remember - ice ages and interglacials - caused by variations in solar irradiance caused by perturbations in the Earth's Orbit.

Grendel - Are you going to actually read my posts or am I wasting my time?
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Reply #68 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:51pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:59pm:
ROTFLMAO

Roll Eyes

almost forgot...  snow in the blue mtns in october for the first time in 14 years..

i know i know... it's all part of global warming.  Roll Eyes

Why do I bother?  Look Grendel, read the section that explains the difference between Weather and Climate and make sure you understand the distinction before posting such inane comments. 
Here:

http://epa.gov/climatechange/kids/index.html
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Reply #69 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:55pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:50pm:
maybe he was a muslim scientist  ??

Oh, maybe not, only a single rhetoric question stated and no diversion tactic used .


Trying to explain basic Year 10 science to adults on an Internet Forum is somewhat analogous to explaining the concept of 'square root' to a cat.
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Reply #70 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:44pm
 
Were the continents in significantly different positions back then?
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Reply #71 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm
 
lol muso

I do know the difference

BTW Sydney...  lowest october temperatures in 30 years.
Go global warming.
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Reply #72 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:44pm:
Were the continents in significantly different positions back then?


Well yes they were. A Wiki link tells a thousand words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana
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Reply #73 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:51pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm:
lol muso

I do know the difference

BTW Sydney...  lowest october temperatures in 30 years.
Go global warming.


So you know about Solar cycles, El Nino / La Nina patterns etc too then, I suppose, and you probably know when you are being conned by graphs that run for insanely short periods and all the other denialist tricks?

I sometimes get the feeling that you are trolling for reaction.
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Reply #74 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:54pm
 
muso wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 9:44pm:
Were the continents in significantly different positions back then?


Well yes they were. A Wiki link tells a thousand words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana


Odd that a geologist wouldn't mention that in comparing conditions back then to today.
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