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Oct 3rd, 2008 at 1:25pm
 
CANNABIS is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, according to a report by a British research charity today, which called for a "serious rethink" of drug policy.

The Beckley Foundation, a charity which numbers senior British and other academics among its advisers, said banning cannabis has no impact on supply and turns users into criminals.

"Although cannabis can have a negative impact on health, including mental health, in terms of relative harms it is considerably less harmful than alcohol or tobacco," says the report by the Foundation's Global Cannabis Commission.

The British Government is pressing for cannabis to be re-classified in law as a Class B drug compared with its current, less serious, Class C classification.

Authorities are concerned notably by the growing prevalence of the potent "skunk" form of the drug.
About 80 per cent of cannabis seizures are of this strain, said to be linked to mental health problems, official figures show.

The Beckley Foundation, a charitable trust, claimed only two deaths worldwide have been attributed to cannabis, while alcohol and tobacco use together kill an estimated 150,000 people in Britain alone.

"Many of the harms associated with cannabis use are the result of prohibition itself, particularly the social harms arising from arrest and imprisonment," it said.

"It is only through a regulated market that we can better protect young people from the ever more potent forms of dope."

The decision to reclassify cannabis upwards into the more punitive Class B category - which includes amphetamines - is a U-turn for Britain's Labour Government.

Cannabis was downgraded from Class B when Tony Blair was prime minister, but Gordon Brown announced a review of its status soon after taking over in June last year.

An earlier review of the cannabis classification, at the time of the last 2005 general election, resulted in it remaining Class C.


http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24438033-5003402,00.html
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Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2008 at 2:11pm
 
The most harmful practice in life is actually breathing. Research shows that breathers have a much higher chance of getting sick or dying.

There is also a strong correlation between people who brush their teeth regularly and heart disease. A recent survey showed that 99% of heart patients regularly brushed their teeth.
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Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 11:15am
 
While I have no issues with regulation, I do have issues with hypocritical drug policies.
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Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 12:25pm
 
Well duhhh!, Of course dope is less dangerous than booze, I don't know why, but you can surf, snowski etc., which takes a fair amount of concentration and balance, when you are stoned off your nut on pot, you would have no hope pissed.

I used to love my dope, but that was in the dim dark days of my youth, and while not familiar with skunk myself, I do know that even in my day there were strains of superdope called zombie, or tripping grass, which was much more potent, and I still believe today, as I did when I used to smoke, that it should be legalised and controlled.
Taxed and monitored for strength and then we could at least stop the epidemic crossover between drugs which occurs when pot smokers are made into criminals.
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Reply #4 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 1:04pm
 
mozzaok - that would be amongst the biggest  benefits for decriminilisation of pot.
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Taxed and monitored for strength and then we could at least stop the epidemic crossover between drugs which occurs when pot smokers are made into criminals.


it'ld stop the crims revenue cold

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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
Blah - The risk to society of a drug depends on the exposure (how many people are taking it), the severity or the consequences of overdosing and the likelihood that overdosing resulting in a fatality could occur.

The highest fatality rate is secondary - usually motor vehicle accident or drowning in vomit.  There are also chronic effects, such as effects on cardiovascular health. mental health etc, and suicide/deliberate overdosing is also common with harder drugs.

You can kill yourself with alcohol, cigarettes and heroin. The most common way for all but cigarettes is via a motor vehicle accident. The point is that there are fewer people taking heroin, so the overall risk to society is lower. A much higher proportion of road deaths are caused by alcohol compared to other drugs.

A Royal Adelaide Hospital Study in April 2007 based on trauma admissions from road traffic accidents involving intoxicating substances showed :

Alcohol came first at 22.6%,
THC came second at 17.5%,
Benzodiazepines (sleeping pills) 14.7%
Amphetamines at 6.9% and
Opiates at 3.3%.

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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 2:30pm
 
Interesting stats there, muso.
THC came in much higher than I would have expected, but, without seeing the actual methodology used, I would fathom a guess that many of the victims had multiple readings, ie; alcohol, AND, THC, so that makes me wonder if it is a true indicator of the dangers of THC on it's own, or not?
Do you perhaps know the answer?
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 2:52pm
 
Also interesting is that THC is used a lot less than alcohol, which would indicate that it is a far more dangerous drug to be driving on.
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 2:58pm
 
If the stats given are for people with only one intoxicant in their system, then perhaps, but as I already said, we do not have enough info to make an informed analysis, do we?

I can tell you as someone who has driven many, many thousands of k's stoned, and quite a few pissed, pissed is way more dangerous.
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2008 at 2:52pm:
Also interesting is that THC is used a lot less than alcohol, which would indicate that it is a far more dangerous drug to be driving on.


I was surprised at that too. The data was presented by Dr Peter Simpson at the Australian Industry Group National OHS conference this year, which I attended. I don't think the paper is anywhere on the internet.

Actually he also spoke about high levels of THC in Police roadsite checks, but the numbers are understated because the saliva based tests used by the Police miss about 60% (?). He added something like don't be surprised if we have roadside urine testing within the next 5 years.  

Sorry Mozz, I don't know the answer to your question on drug cocktails.
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Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:33pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Oct 15th, 2008 at 2:58pm:
I can tell you as someone who has driven many, many thousands of k's stoned, and quite a few pissed, pissed is way more dangerous.


I understand that is actually true, but I can't remember the details.
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Reply #11 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:43pm
 
Roadside urine tests? What if you can't perform in front of people? Somehow I doubt that is going to take off.
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Reply #12 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:53pm
 
THC stays in your cells and is detectable for a much longer period than alcohol. They can detect it up to three months after consumption.

Doesn't mean you are stoned for three months.

And yeah, hydro is the devil drug.
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Reply #13 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 4:09pm
 
http://www.reachout.com.au/default.asp?ti=70

Some of the more immediate effects of cannabis use may include: ·

A feeling of euphoria
A loss of concentration
Relaxation
A feeling of confidence
Wanting to eat more
Red eyes
Wanting to talk and/or laugh more than usual
Loosing balance and coordination
Feelings of anxiety or paranoia

AH MOZZ...  some of these are the reasons you FEEL it's safer to drive with Cannabis than Alcohol. in your system.

Some of the possible long-term effects of cannabis use are:
Lung problems (e.g. chronic bronchitis, lung cancer) - Cannabis smoke contains ingredients that can damage the lungs, affect your physical health and fitness and possibly cause cancer. If cannabis is smoked over many years it may impair lung functioning, which increases the chances of developing lung disease.  

Difficulties with memory and attention - It has been shown that cannabis use over the longer term can cause problems with memory, attention and processing of complex information. This may affect everyday life when you are learning something new or doing something difficult.

Development of dependence - Most people who use cannabis don't go on to use it regularly, or develop problems with it. However, there are a number of people who will become dependent on cannabis.

The chance of becoming dependent on cannabis is similar to the chance of becoming dependent on alcohol. If someone is dependent on cannabis they may experience a difficulty controlling their use or be spending a lot of time involved in cannabis and less time on other things in their life.

Increased risk of mental health problems - Some people have a greater risk of developing mental health problems than others. Cannabis use may trigger problems if, for example, you have a family history of serious mental illness (such as schizophrenia or depression), or you are vulnerable to developing it. If you already have a serious mental illness, cannabis use usually makes some of your symptoms worse.

There are morere detailed and up to date studies on this and the news isn't good.

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Reply #14 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 4:30pm
 
Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating drug use,for driving, but I also am far more aware of the effects of drugs than most, because I have had far more than most. Cheesy Hence while all the studies can give you some indication of the effects, it is in reference to which drug is more harmful that we entered this discussion, and alcohol is far worse than pot, no contest.

Also, what easel said about THC being detectable in the body for a long time, because it is stored in the fat particles, I think, does raise the valid point of were they stoned when they had their accident, or at some time in the previous weeks, we just don't have enough info to say.

Also, I can say from experience also, that people tend to be far more reckless when pissed, than stoned, if you are drunk you drive faster and sillier, if you are stoned, you usually slow down and (at least try to)concentrate more.

Maybe a reactive agent could be included in legal pot which would indicate if one had smoked it in say the previous four hours, which would aid police sobriety testing.
We don't want to add to the road toll by unleashing people who are not in a fit state to drive, onto the roads, but pretending it doesn't happen won't help.
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