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Ecstasy is the key to treating PTSD

At last the incurably traumatised may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And controversially, the key to taming their demons is the ‘killer’ drug EcstasyAmy Turner

An Ecstasy tablet. That’s what it took to make Donna Kilgore feel alive again – that and the doctor who prescribed it. As the pill began to take effect, she giggled for the first time in ages. She felt warm and fuzzy, as if she was floating. The anxiety melted away. Gradually, it all became clear: the guilt, the anger, the shame.

Before, she’d been frozen, unable to feel anything but fear for 10 years. Touching her own arms was, she says, “like touching a corpse”. She was terrified, unable to respond to her loving husband or rock her baby to sleep. She couldn’t drive over bridges for fear of dying, was by turns uncontrollably angry and paralysed with numbness. When she spoke, she heard her voice as if it were miles away; her head felt detached from her body. “It was like living in a movie but watching myself through the camera lens,” she says. “I wasn’t real.”

Unknowingly, Donna, now 39, had post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). And she would become the first subject in a pioneering American research programme to test the effects of MDMA – otherwise known as the dancefloor drug Ecstasy – on PTSD sufferers.

Some doctors believe MDMA could be the key to solving previously untreatable deep-rooted traumas. For a hard core of PTSD cases, no amount of antidepressants or psychotherapy can rid them of the horror of systematic abuse or a bad near-death experience, and the slightest reminder triggers vivid flashbacks


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3850302.ece


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Warm glow from magic mushrooms lasts and lasts: study

July 2, 2008 - 6:04PM


The feelings of well-being and life satisfaction brought on by the hallucinogen psilocybin, found in "magic" mushrooms, can last for months, a new study revealed.

Researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland found that the majority of 36 volunteers who took psilocybin in controlled conditions continued to feel the beneficial effects for more than a year afterwards, the study, published Monday, showed.

"Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience up to 14 months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most, personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives," said Roland Griffiths, a professor in the department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and Neuroscience.

The first results of the clinical trial, aimed at uncovering the secrets of the "magic" mushrooms that have been used for religious or healing purposes in some cultures for centuries, were published in 2006.

Fourteen months after the trial, the 36 volunteers -- all in good physical and mental health -- were given the same questionnaire as well as some follow-up questions.

Results show that about the same proportion ranked their experience in the trial as one of the most personally meangingful or spiritually significant events of their lives.

"This is a truly remarkable finding," said Griffiths, lead author of the study which appeared in the Journal of Psychopharmacology.

"Rarely in psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports from a single event in the laboratory."

He said the results gave credence to claims that the mystical-type experiences some people had during hallucinogen sessions may help patients suffering from cancer-related anxiety or depression.

Psilocybin could also be used as a possible treatment for drug dependance, the professor said.

He said his team was "eager" to continue their research, adding that although some of the volunteers had reported fear and anxiety immediately after receiving psilocybin, "none reported any lingering harmful effects."

However, the team warned against giving hallucinogens to people at risk of psychosis or other serious mental disorders, and said it was important that it be administered under controlled conditions.

Psilocybin is a plant alkaloid that affects some of the same brain receptors as serotonin, a neurotransmitter.

http://news.smh.com.au/world/warm-glow-from-magic-mushrooms-lasts-and-lasts-study-20080702-30lh.html
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Reply #1 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 11:27pm
 
While I don't feel (illegal) drugs are "good" for you.
Neither are legal ones.

The legal system would be VERY unlikely to change their failed punitive method.
it keeps them all in a job.
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Reply #2 - Jul 10th, 2008 at 8:19am
 
Psylocybin, like most halucinogenics, has vastly different effects dependant upon dosage, surroundings, and current state of mind.

A low dose, will just provide the mild euphoria the researchers describe, but larger doses are not something I would encourage, unless the subjects are particularly well balanced to star with, fragile minds can be traumatised by a full on trip.

The doors of perception are well and truly flung wide in full trip mode, but that is not something that everyone can handle.

MDMA, is from the 'Speed' family, and that family is the trailer trash scum side of the drug world, it may be the best of the 'speed' type drugs, but that family are all headbuggerers, and ones I would never counsel any one to try, unless you have sinus problems.

So scientists are playing with drugs, let's hope they get some 'professional' advice. Grin
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Reply #3 - Jul 10th, 2008 at 11:28am
 
Well there is evidence that red wine in moderation is good for you, but you don't need the alcohol for that. I occasionally have a Dr Red punch which is practically alcohol free.

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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 4:49pm
 
They've already used ecstacy for psychotherapy back in the 70s before it was classified as a Schedule A drug. Mainly used during clinical sessions thereby enhancing communication, reducing patients' psychological defenses, and increasing capacity for therapeutic introspection. However, no formal measures of these putative effects were made and blinded or placebo-controlled trials were not conducted. Also, the effects of long term use weren't known then. These days the effects are known based on documented studies conducted in Europe - such as paranoia, memory loss, serotonin depletion causing depression and anxiety, and liver damage. Portentially, the sufferer can end up worst than before especially if they have an addicitive personality or if they have a low mental and emotional resistance (obviously so, otherwise they wouldn't be visiting a psychologist) to its euphoric effects. It's quite likely that the controlled environment will quickly deteriorate when the patient starts self-medicating.

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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 7:04pm
 
SA Democrats MP Sandra Kanck, urged the SA Government to consider a trial of the drug MDMA, to treat war veterans

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/19/2280156.htm

Look what happened to her!

http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi?query=kanck+mdma&collection=abcnews&f...

This was a very low spot in SA politics The Rann government should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2008 at 3:07pm
 
Some drugs are:

Guy goes to visit his 85-year-old grandfather in the hospital. "How are you grandpa?" he asks.

"Feeling fine," says the old man.

"What's the food like?"

"Terrific, wonderful menus."

"And the nursing?"

"Just couldn't be better. These young nurses really take care of you."

"What about sleeping? Do you sleep OK?"

"No problem at all - nine hours solid every night. At 10 o'clock they bring me a cup of hot chocolate and a Viagra tablet and that's it. I go out like a light."

The guy is puzzled and a little alarmed by this, so rushes off to question the Sister in charge. "What are you people doing," he says, "I'm told you're giving an 85-year-old Viagra on a daily basis. Surely that can't be true?"

"Oh, yes," replies the Sister. "Every night at 10 o'clock we give him a cup of hot chocolate and a Viagra tablet. It works wonderfully well. The hot chocolate makes him sleep, and the Viagra stops him from rolling out of bed."
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Reply #7 - Jul 13th, 2008 at 10:26am
 
Here's thought for you.

Say a middle aged man, mid forties say, and his wife, a proffesional couple, well educated, responsible, good parents, pillars of the community, enjoy on an infrequent basis, an "E" and viagra evening at home, just having good sex, chemically enhanced.

Say they are caught in possession of an "E" each, what punishment should they recieve?

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Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 13th, 2008 at 10:26am:
Here's thought for you.

Say a middle aged man, mid forties say, and his wife, a proffesional couple, well educated, responsible, good parents, pillars of the community, enjoy on an infrequent basis, an "E" and viagra evening at home, just having good sex, chemically enhanced.

Say they are caught in possession of an "E" each, what punishment should they recieve?



Probably a fine if it was their first offense. A suspended sentence at the most.

Are you speaking from experience here?  Grin
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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 8:58am
 
No I'm not, fortunately.  Smiley

It did happen to a couple I knew back in blighty.

They were fined, but his name ended up in the local rag. Due to this  he lost his job, they lost their house, and ended up having to claw their way back into society.

Now who did they harm?

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Reply #10 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 9:04am
 
Pommy - that has been my thoughts for some time.

The illegality of some drugs is much worse than the effects of those drugs.
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Reply #11 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 12:08pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 14th, 2008 at 9:04am:
Pommy - that has been my thoughts for some time.

The illegality of some drugs is much worse than the effects of those drugs.


Marijuana and MDMA as Shedule A drugs are gross overreactions brought on by the Drug, Firearms and Tobacco wing of the US dept. It's ironic considering the worst aspects of the products under its umbrella - firearms and tobacco are mostly not illegal in that society.
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Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 12:37pm
 
Prohibition does have a pretty poor track record.

The consequences of creating a whole sub-culture who move into a world of illegalities, because they choose to consume one of the illegal drugs, is usually far more problematic, than the effects of the drugs themselves.

I do loathe the speed family, and have seen devastating psychological consequences for those who use them, but even in that instance I would still prefer taking an educative approach, and if other less harmful drugs like heroin, were available on prescription, we may see a lower uptake of the truly damaging drugs.

I used heroin as the counterpoint for it's shock value, because heroin actually has relatively few side effects when used at non lethal levels, it is the social consequences of the drugs expense, and legal status which causes most of the worst outcomes for addicts of the opioids.

I also believe that the rebellious, nature of youth makes them more likely to associate hard drug use with glamourous music stars, and celebrities, and if it were just seen as an addictive medicine, that a small group of addicts get prescribed, it would lose much of this mystique.
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Reply #13 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 12:49pm
 
Mozzaok - I agree entirely.

Prohibiting a substance gives crims a torrent of profits, and increases the desire for it.

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Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 14th, 2008 at 8:58am:
No I'm not, fortunately.  Smiley

It did happen to a couple I knew back in blighty.

They were fined, but his name ended up in the local rag. Due to this  he lost his job, they lost their house, and ended up having to claw their way back into society.

Now who did they harm?



They probably didn't harm as many people as drink drivers do. They certainly don't cost society as much as smokers do. Their main harm was in supporting the drug trade.

In that example it was a question of society attitudes that probably led to their demise. In the UK, they seem to take a tough line on sex scandals and drugs.

Would a British candidate for PM who admitted drinking in a strip club have an increase or a decrease in popularity as a result of his admission, assuming he made a full apology? We all know how much it helped Rudd.

I don't know. The place might have changed since I last visited there.  I seem to vaguely remember Jeremy Thorpe being outed for being gay, and being unseated as a result. Nowadays in Australia, Bob Brown never seems to stop telling everybody about how wonderful his boyfriend is  Grin
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