Jokes normally lighten the tension. It does not seem to make much effort to appear genuine.

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 3:45pm:


the guy said he was pathetic, stupid and ridiculous- and you think he agrees with what he said? are you mentally challenged?

the discussions were banned because MV didn't want to be seen in support of him, and also because the discussions often became so heated that they became disrespectful, which is against the ideals of the forum

here is a quote from one of the mods:

"In the context of much misunderstanding and misconceptions of Islam by the general public, these types of info-ads are less than helpful.

So please, no more Sheikh Haron stuff. This website and forum are not going to be a mouthpiece for this type of propaganda. "

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43156&hl=sheikh+haron

and again you're going to read into it whatever you want

there was one person on the forums named Sabar who supported Haron- everyone else was shouting him down. that's why it got heated.

Discussion of "Sheik Haron" is banned on AussieMuslims too sprint, so for someone who you claim is supported by the Muslim community, he's sure not getting a lot of suipport.

Just because he happens to say "Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan" doesn't mean he's the same as the Muslims. Socialists also say this, are they the same as the Muslims?

It's quite obvious Sheik Haron is a fake, and is probably perpetrated by right wing Australians or Arabic Christians or Bahai's (I've actually confirmed this link myself) in order to sour the relations between Muslim and non-Muslim Australians. Don't be so gullible as to fall for it. That's my sincere advice to you.

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:10pm:


haha..finally, see, someone else has seen what I have seen.

Yes Gaybriel..I seriously think that he might really be mentally challenged.

yes, yes they do.

let's compare this to someone who is also controversial like fred nile.

if you had christian/catholic forums that banned discussions about fred nile, had people on those forums calling him and his ideas stupid, ridicuolous, unscholarly, un-christian- had people questioning the validity of his claim to being a reverand.- would you say they support him?? or agree with him??

It seems to be like you have constructed some imaginary muslim populace in your mind. unless there are massive riots of the streets in protest against every stupid thing a muslim says or does- you assume, based on your own prejudice, that 'they' must be in support of them (again this imaginary monolith of 'they' despite the diversity of the muslim population- not just in terms of race and ethnicity- but just in terms of basic individualism). then again, if there were riots you'd probably see it as evidence of how barbaric and violent muslims are.

I think you would take any action by muslims and twist it to suit your prejudice. if muslim village allowed open discussion about sheikh haron, you would say- well if they disagree with him so much then why don't they ban the discussion like they ban others? or you'd go in and choose quotes from the ONE person on the forum who actually supported him.

but then MV does ban discussion and now they're oppressive fascists who censor everything and are just hiding their real agenda.

and again- where do you get your impression of the muslim community from?? do you conduct surveys with all muslims in australia?

I at least have the sense to say that yes, some muslims may agree with him- but based on my own personal friendships and associations with many muslims- the overwhelming majority seem to think he's a crackpot.

you have two muslims on here saying he's a joke and not even worth paying attention to- and yet you continue to act as if they're not doing enough to damn him. what should they get "To sheik haron australia says no" tattooed on their foreheads?

honest to god. why must every muslim go out of their way to try and satisfy your apparently insatiable need to get the response YOU want out of everything?

what is it that would satisfy you to say that muslims don't agree nor support haron?

and if you're going to say that you get your impression of muslims from random extreme muslim sites on the internet, or anti-muslim sites- then obviously those references are about as reliable as a rotten plank of wood.

I could go to christian sites that promote the beating of women, the bashing of minorities etc- but they are of course COMPLETELY INSANE and NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS

rant over

gaybriel - what haron says is in agreeance with the loran.

uhuh - beating women is not in the bible.
It IS in the koran.

bashing minoriities is not in the bible.
Killing and humiliating infidels IS in the koran.


Lots of chirsitians DO openly disagree with fred niles etc
No muslims disagree with hilali.


Go figure