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easel

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Sheikh Haron - terrorist?
Sep 29^th, 2008 at 2:10am

So anyway, in the last hour is the first time I have ever actually visited his website and have decided to do some cursory investigation on this chap.

The following quotes are taken from http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39158.

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Now it has become more obvious that the government can't stand Sheikh Haron and the Media is trying to put him down. I think the plans of enemy will be infact useful for Sheikh Haron if Allah (SWT) wants.
How can they say "haven't heard" from Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi while he gave a speech to few hundereds Muslims in the Hall of Granvile in Sydney few years ago and other Shia clerics are present in the video?!
All are plans of Media. We should be careful. I agree with Sheikh regarding Media Mafia.

Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi is the name this chap claims he used to be known by, if you read the fine print at the bottom of his website.

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http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/st...2001/240626.htm

I pasted this link earlier when ABC interviewed him a few years ago, so i'm not gonna say he doesn't exist. I'm surprised the ABC could interview him a few years ago, but now they havn't mentioned anything and are thus supporting the idea that he is a mystery and is unknown.

Interviewed by the ABC?

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I couldn't get through either of those links... But, I had seen a article on Sheikh Haron on abc religion report. They have labelled his views as dangerously liberal, and his wife & two daughters are being held hostage in Iran. This is dated back in 31st January 2001. I ask again can someone please let me know how to post a link.

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QUOTE (N0maD @ Feb 7 2008, 12:09 PM) *
So is he real or not? Looks to me like some kid with too much time and an internet connection giving proper sheikhs a bad name

He's real... I spoke with him on the phone

That one was posted by the board administrator....

Now, the most interesting parts about this chap Haron.

If you go to his website, he announces that Hezbollah has been established in Australia and will soon be active.

He also, in the Behind the News section, lists where he has specifically warned Qantas about things which will happen to their aircraft, which have happened.

Some serious investigation needs to be done on the aircraft engineers who work for Qantas. I know one of them, but unfortunately they wouldn't be up to the task of figuring them out.

If you ask me, this isn't a hoax, but a website front for militant Islam in Australia, much like terrorist groups around the world have a political side to them, a legitimate front which is 'disassociated' from the terrorist groups yet supports their aims and is very, very closely linked to them.

What do you think?

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I am from a foreign government. This is not a joke. I am authorised to investigate state and federal bodies including ASIO.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #1 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 2:21am Quote: What do you think? I think it belongs in the fringe section
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41360 Gender:	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #2 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 8:29am I think any support of terrorism should be investigated thoroughly. we should not allow any front (real or not) for any extremist belief exist within our shores. It is of some interest that muslims do not disagree with him.
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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #3 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 11:08am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29^th, 2008 at 8:29am: It is of some interest that muslims do not disagree with him. Considering that both myself and Abu have already stated that we believe him to be a hoax, I am interested in knowing who these 'muslims who do not disagree with him' exactly are. Name them....
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Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 1:09pm

I agree wholehearterdly, this "Sheikh Haron" character should be fully investigated by the authorities, funny thing is, even though he's supposedly released videos and other information calling for jihad against Australia, he's not being investigated, why do you think that might be?

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They have labelled his views as dangerously liberal, and his wife & two daughters are being held hostage in Iran. This is dated back in 31st January 2001.

I've also seen this on the ABC website, strange that one day he was 'dangerously liberal' and his wife and daughters were being held hostage in Iran, now all of a sudden he's a 'firebrand cleric' who supports Hezbollah (Iranian government's proxy in Lebanon).

So which one is it?
Is he a dangerously liberal refugee fleeing the regime in Iran?
Or a Shi'a ayatollah that supports Hezbollah?
Or a Sunni Sheikh that supports al-Qa'idah?

Because all 3 of them are worlds apart, and I can't imagine them existing in the same person. As I've mentioned before, I've checked some of the records regarding his website and even business registration and the location of his 'enterprise' and the Ayatollah and the Sheikh seem to be based on two very different persons. There's two seperate individuals that registered their busuiness entity, one with the Manteghi name, and the other with Haron in his name, and a third with a Christian name.

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Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 1:58pm

abu, how do you know he's not being investigated? Do you think terrorism suspects are implicitly informed they are under investigation, and then the media told also?

There are Muslims saying he exists and that they support him, if you read the quotes I provided.

Maybe, seeing as his family are hostage in Iran, he is being extorted in to using religion to justify militant Islam and support these Iranian groups?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41360 Gender:	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2008 at 3:49pm lestat - muslims in other chat rooms (before I was banned) and here have not disagreed with what he says. they go to great lengths to say he is not legitimate, yet they do not come out and disagree with what he says.
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Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 9:09pm

Easel- As you've probably read through my posts I go to the site. I don't believe that "it is a website front for militant Islam in Australia", that's absoultely ridiculous, their policy is war on oppression.
There is a sentence on the homepage of the site which says: If our fair defence against your unfair attack is called terrorism then we are proud to be called terrorists. Would this sentence not apply to most countries if not all?

http://www.sheikhharon.com/our-policy.html

http://www.sheikhharon.com/index.php

Abu- When you say he is calling for jihad against Australia, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean this:

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=jihad

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #8 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 1:47am bluebird, somewhere on the site are the permissible reasons for suicide bombing. They had prior knowledge of destruction/tamper of Qantas aircraft equipment.
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Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 6:51am

easel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 1:47am:

bluebird, somewhere on the site are the permissible reasons for suicide bombing. They had prior knowledge of destruction/tamper of Qantas aircraft equipment.

They have a video which explains a legitimate suicide attack, the example used is a pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5hQSxIFmTg

The Sheikh had sent a letter to a member of parliament warning him of attacks like this, and he has even offered to give the information he has to the Ceo of Qantas. So I don't really believe he is extreme.
http://www.sheikhharon.com/behind-the-news.html

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #10 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 7:12am Where's he getting the information then?
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bluebird New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #11 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 7:24am How would I know? Join the forum and ask him.
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Reply #12 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 2:10am

easel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 1:47am:

bluebird, somewhere on the site are the permissible reasons for suicide bombing. They had prior knowledge of destruction/tamper of Qantas aircraft equipment.

Is this the link you're referring to?

http://www.sheikhharon.com/behind-the-news.html

The Qantas incident was on July 25th - all the correspondence on this page is dated after this date. He CLAIMS prior knowledge, but this is no proof.

Reading the letters he seems to be more concerned with getting official recognition of his letters - and I suspect raise his profile and get his name in the news. I don't know who this Sheik Haron character is - but he certainly seems to be full of it.

The Shia community don't seem to know who he is.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23118606-5001561,00.html

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils think this sheik is a fake.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22978732-31477,00.html

Australian Federal Police and ASIO are investigating a connected Youtube video from "sister zahara".
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23896804-662,00.html

Everything on this sheik haron website seems designed to inflame. So much so I really do wonder about the motives. Be it an Anglo Aussie, or a Muslim it doesn't really matter - all they're trying to do is stir up trouble.

It's not worth our time.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #13 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:27pm Welcome to OzPolitic ngali. Perhaps it is a joke and he is trying to make money from all the free publicity. Abu: I agree wholehearterdly, this "Sheikh Haron" character should be fully investigated by the authorities Why?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Sheikh Haron - terrorist? Reply #14 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 4:55pm Because it's obviously a hoax trying to create hatred and tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims.
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