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Jul 14th, 2008 at 1:21pm
 
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24015835-954,00.html

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THE Dalai Lama has defended peaceful muslims and saying "it's totally wrong, unfair" to call Islam a violent religion.

The Tibetan spiritual leader, appearing at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, offered a defence of Islam in response to a question about the rise of violent religious fundamentalism.

He added that he has made a point of reaching out to Muslims since the attacks of September 11, 2001.


Thought that might be of interest.
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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 1:35pm
 
Damn! You beat me to it! LOL.

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
Anyway, this is not a new view from his Holiness. He has already said implied the essence of the headline in man speeches.

"It is a mistake to refer to Muslim terrorists. I believe no religion endorses terrorism. The essence of all major religions is compassion, forgiveness, self-discipline, brotherhood and charity. All religions have the potential to strengthen human values and to develop general harmony. But individuals twist religious beliefs for their own ends. There are people who use religion as a cover to achieve their vested interests, so it would be wrong to blame their particular religion. Religious divisions have lately become dangerous once more, and yet pluralism, under which everybody is free to practise his or her own faith, is part of the fabric of contemporary society. Buddhism may be good for me, but I cannot insist that it will also be good for you or anybody else."

Generations of suffering and grievances have provoked this violence. As a Buddhist I believe that there are causes and conditions behind every event. Some of these causes may be of recent origin but others are decades or centuries old. These include colonialism, exploitation of natural resources by developed countries, discrimination, suspicion and the widening gap between the rich and the poor. Years of negligence and indifference to poverty and oppression may be among the causes for this upsurge in terrorism. What is clear is that the shocking, sad and horrific terrorist attacks... were the culmination of many factors.

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Reply #3 - Jul 17th, 2008 at 2:00pm
 
As I've said on other threads, I have a lot of respect for Buddhism, although I'm not a Buddhist myself. Some excerpts of a recent interview with various Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama himself and Robert Thurman:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2008/2291097.htm

My favourite bits:

Robert Thurman: Quote:
Well Buddhism is thought of as a religion and the Buddha sometimes as a religious founder or prophet. And his enlightenment is described and very carefully defined as an awareness of the nature of reality, not as a revelation from the God. .....and so it's based on the confidence that the human being has the ability to understand their world, and not only that, but that in order to achieve freedom from suffering, the salvation if you will in the Western sense, that is only achieved by understanding, It can't be achieved just by faith, by believing in someone else, either divine or human. And therefore Buddha has been an educational system and if you will, a scientific system from the beginning in the sense that it has always posited that through an investigation of the nature of reality and thereby discovering that nature, that's where you get freedom from suffering, that's where you discover happiness.......


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 Karma simply means action or causality, you could say causation. The most famous verse about the Buddha's discovery that the Buddhists have repeated for thousands of years is (LANGUAGE) and so on, that sounds great and, it means 'I celebrate the Buddha as the one who discovered causation', you know, that things have effects and what those causes of those effects are how to intervene in the processes of causation. Therefore it's very much a scientific thing. So when he says it's karma, he means it's a kind of causation and by that he means the physical things about the planet are interwoven with the human being's minds because the mind is a powerful energy in nature and that energy is engaged in the way atoms work and the ways molecules work and sub-atomic energies and so there's no such thing as some sort of abstract bunch of tectonic plates that just completely grind along in their own causation without being interwoven with the living beings associated with them. So it's a very interesting and subtle thing.



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You know, I'm one who says that the conquest of Asia by the Europeans is not a sign of the superiority of the Europeans at all, it's the sign of the barbarism of the European, I'm sorry, but who thinks that the biggest bully on the block is the most civilised? I don't think anybody. I think the civilised person is the gentle person who therefore is vulnerable, and so when you say I'm like the Elijah and so on, I'm trying and I think the Dalai Lama does too, to call upon the world in this late stage of history where we've reached you know what Al Gore - I mean is Al Gore a messianic figure? What is he doing, saying An Inconvenient Truth? He's saying that we have actually reached a point where we have a responsibility to recognise that we could destroy all life on earth, and we're close to doing so. And therefore we really have to change our way of living and way of producing and way of breathing and electric lights, whatever. If Al Gore is an Elijah, OK, I'm an Elijah in the sense that I'm saying that mentally speaking, we have to come to a higher level of ethics and we're able to live at a higher level and we're able to be more happy actually.
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Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2008 at 2:08pm
 
Contrast that last section with the ramblings of Cardinal George Pell  about climate change, and the earlier comment on civilisation is even more ironic.

*caveman reference deleted by author*
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Reply #5 - Jul 17th, 2008 at 4:13pm
 

I also like what I know of buddhist theories.
The dali lama leaves me a bit cold. Saw a movie on him, he lived in luxury in his palace while his people went hungry and cold.
When the chinese invaded he ran away and did nothing to help his own country.

His comment begs the question - If not muslim terrorists, what are they ? With their koran in one hand and kalishnakov in the other, rantying about allah, islam and a caliphate, martyring themselves.
Seem pretty much muslims to me.
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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am
 
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he lived in luxury in his palace while his people went hungry and cold.


As have most Christian leaders throughout your 2000 year existence. Nothing new.

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When the chinese invaded he ran away and did nothing to help his own country


That's funny, isn't this what you're constantly condemning the Muslims for not doing? Don't you believe we should turn the other cheek and run away instead of staying to defend our homes in Palestine and other regions where we've been occupied and oppressed?

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With their koran in one hand and kalishnakov in the other, rantying about allah, islam and a caliphate, martyring themselves


And Christians never do anything like that. How about this picture of an American tank in Iraq named "The New Testament":

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Indeed, this is made quite clear in this May 5, 2055 photo published on the Marine Corps own Web site. It is a photo of a U.S. tank in Iraq dubbed the ‘New Testament.’ Not only is it written across the barrel beneath the bowed head of the operator, it is highlighted in the caption:

    “Haditha Dam, Al Anbar, Iraq - The ‘New Testament’ a tank with 4th Tank Co., 1st Tank battalion attached to 3/25 prepares to lead the way during a recent mission. Photo by: Cpl. Ken Melton.”


Just consider the contrast in fire power between a Kalashnikov and a tank, and then consider the measure of your hypocrisy.
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Reply #7 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 1:23pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am:
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he lived in luxury in his palace while his people went hungry and cold.


As have most Christian leaders throughout your 2000 year existence. Nothing new.


Agreed, I visited the Holy See last year while on a break from a business trip - talk about living in the lap of luxury!!

Sprint, have you been to the Vatican? If not then you should, because your comment really was ummm... silly, especially when compared to some of the residences of Christian leaders.



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Reply #8 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 1:25pm
 
muso wrote on Jul 17th, 2008 at 2:00pm:
As I've said on other threads, I have a lot of respect for Buddhism, although I'm not a Buddhist myself. Some excerpts of a recent interview with various Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama himself and Robert Thurman:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2008/2291097.htm




Check out the Dalai Lama's official website:

http://www.dalailama.com/
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Reply #9 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 4:44pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am:
Just consider the contrast in fire power between a Kalashnikov and a tank, and then consider the measure of your hypocrisy.


Yeah, I saw a video of an Iraqi shooting at a M1 with either a AK47 or a SVD from about 30m, possibly thinking the tank would just keep going, instead they turned the gun to face him and went boom. There wasn't anything at all left.
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Reply #10 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 5:05pm
 
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Agreed, I visited the Holy See last year while on a break from a business trip - talk about living in the lap of luxury!!


Yeh especially when we consider a lot of Catholics in South America live like this:

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But I'm sure sprint will claim he's not a catholic so it's ok.

Nevermind that for about 2/3 of the history of Christianity almost all Western European Christians were Catholics. Only in the last 1/3 of their history did some of them start to reinterpret their scriptures and invent a whole new brand of non-Catholic Christianity.
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Reply #11 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 10:36pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am:
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he lived in luxury in his palace while his people went hungry and cold.


As have most Christian leaders throughout your 2000 year existence. Nothing new.

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When the chinese invaded he ran away and did nothing to help his own country


That's funny, isn't this what you're constantly condemning the Muslims for not doing? Don't you believe we should turn the other cheek and run away instead of staying to defend our homes in Palestine and other regions where we've been occupied and oppressed?

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With their koran in one hand and kalishnakov in the other, rantying about allah, islam and a caliphate, martyring themselves


And Christians never do anything like that. How about this picture of an American tank in Iraq named "The New Testament":

http://backspace.com/notes/images/new_testament.jpg

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Indeed, this is made quite clear in this May 5, 2055 photo published on the Marine Corps own Web site. It is a photo of a U.S. tank in Iraq dubbed the ‘New Testament.’ Not only is it written across the barrel beneath the bowed head of the operator, it is highlighted in the caption:

   “Haditha Dam, Al Anbar, Iraq - The ‘New Testament’ a tank with 4th Tank Co., 1st Tank battalion attached to 3/25 prepares to lead the way during a recent mission. Photo by: Cpl. Ken Melton.”


Just consider the contrast in fire power between a Kalashnikov and a tank, and then consider the measure of your hypocrisy.

Grin Grin Grin Grin

EXACTLY!!!!

Masha'ALLAH Abu_Rashid
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Reply #12 - Jul 18th, 2008 at 10:56pm
 
Good on the Dalai Lama,

Islam and Buddhism are both very similar, I studied Buddhism before I became Muslim and many Muslims see it's founder Siddhartha Gautama as perhaps a prophet sent by God thousands of years ago to preach monotheism.

Like Christianity, Buddhisms main message had changed over time where people began worshipping Siddhartha Gautama just as Christians worship Jesus pbuh.

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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 7:26am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am:
And Christians never do anything like that. How about this picture of an American tank in Iraq named "The New Testament":


I've never seen that picture before. That's just plain ignorant. How stupid can you get?

Am I surprised? Frankly no.
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 11:27pm
 
muso wrote on Jul 19th, 2008 at 7:26am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18th, 2008 at 8:42am:
And Christians never do anything like that. How about this picture of an American tank in Iraq named "The New Testament":


I've never seen that picture before. That's just plain ignorant. How stupid can you get?

Am I surprised? Frankly no.


It's not unexpected from the yanks. It's gotten to the point where such display of arrogance isn't surprising anymore.
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