I keep thinking of a film based in England where a middle aged English Widow starts growing a marijuana crop  in order to save the house. Her gardener was Scottish if I remember rightly. There was one hilarious scene where the local ladies decide to try this new 'tea' and end up in a giggling fit.

'Saving Grace' I think it was called. It was a good movie.

Is that the one where her greenhouse lights up the night sky?

never seen it 

muso wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 4:05pm:


The spin off TV series, which I enjoy, is "Doc Martin", though it has little to do with the movie.

I used to live not far from where it was filmed.

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 9:52am:


You have the same level of "high" by watching a funny movie or having sex. The measured increase in the level of serotonin is the same or comparable. The serotonin production is natural and the depletion back to normal levels is gradual.

Of course, it's not as "fun" as the "enhancements" but the impact of rapid depletion (comedown) and long term sustained depletion are more pronounced. The serotonin is below the normal level during comedowns. The lag and drag effect one feels (days) afterwards is where the body produces and bring the level back up to normal. Of course, MDMA use week in and week out will evetually slow and stop the serotonin production.

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 9:52am:


Imagination does not have the same effect as "E", if it did the "E" trade would die. Also "E"  has a supressant effect on the ability to ejaculate, while giving the user a hightened tactile senory experience.

Nowhere close I'm afraid.

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Taking any medicine can have similar effects. Prozac for example, or Clozapine, should we ban their use too? Alcohol has many effects within the brain and body, a fair case can be made for it having more dire physical and mental effects than "E", should we hand it over to the bootleggers to regulate quality and supply/profit?


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Utterly wrong. I take it you are not speaking from experience here.

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And would be more easily measured and allowed for in a legal safely produced product, or in the illegal ones available now?

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No gain without pain, I agree. But there again, this skirts the issue.

What harm is there in "E" use that makes it so illegal?

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Makes you think eh?

Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 2:09pm:


However, those medication you have cited are controlled and pescribed by a medical practisioner. I'm guessing that is not what you are wanting for the distribution of E.

Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 2:09pm:


Which do you mean? Watching a funny movie, having sex or taking an E?   Nevertheless, I'll put my hand up for all three and many more (I'm not totally innocent LOL).

Utterly wrong?
Fact: There are tests and studies done in the Netherlands that shows the measured level at the time of laughter when watching a funny movie is comparable to the serotonin level brought on by an E with 25mg MDMA; and at the point of orgasm the natural serotonin level is comparable to 100mg MDMA pill. There figures are from memory but I think they're fairly right.


Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 2:09pm:


Um, maybe its the fact that it is a psychotropic drug and that they alter mood, mind and emotion.

I'll concede that Schedule A (UK) or Schedule I (US) is a little extreme and that it could be pegged back to either Schedule C or III. It's the same for marijuana. However, that still won't make it freely available to the party people.

Thanks for the replies.

Some thoughts.

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Available under license from a reputable pharmacy should suffice.

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And that laughter/orgasm lasts seconds, whereas the "high" from an "E" (or more than one) lasts for 8 + hours, so they are not comaparable. Unless you claim the abillity to piss yourself laughing, or come, for 8+ hours? (If so, I'm very jelous!!)

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I wouldn't disagree with that, although I'd prefer it to go further.

The graph " assesses drugs on the harm they do to the individual, to society and whether or not they induce dependence. "