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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41869 Gender:	The Inexplicable Contradiction. Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am "Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10
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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #1 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 7:47am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

Yes, why? Why the contradiction and why the will of the Lord to cause him to suffer? Isn't He a benign God?

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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction. Reply #2 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 9:27am "Vengence is mine. I will repay." (That's God's take on it anyways DT)
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction. Reply #3 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 10:48am My old spearing club used to meat in a church hall. One day the kids had made posters, each declaring one of God's many qualities, which was nice. I suggested that one of them should have done vengeful, but no-one seemed to agree. I bet that made God angry.
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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #4 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:28pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

i dont understand the contradiction here. the passage is saying that people will have suffering but they will also have success....

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #5 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:44pm

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

i dont understand the contradiction here. the passage is saying that people will have suffering but they will also have success....

It's about a single person and it doesn't suggest any success other than to see his offspring and to endure for a long time (though apparently through a fog of suffering). It is the will of the LORD which prospers.

I find this contradictory given that He is a loving and benign God.

Why is it necessary to suffer in order to see one's offspring, live for a long time, and to have the LORD's will prosper?

Couldn't it all be done peacefully, free of guilt and in glorious bliss?

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #6 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:50pm

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:44pm:

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

i dont understand the contradiction here. the passage is saying that people will have suffering but they will also have success....

It's about a single person and it doesn't suggest any success other than to see his offspring and to endure for a long time (though apparently through a fog of suffering). It is the will of the LORD which prospers.

I find this contradictory given that He is a loving and benign God.

Why is it necessary to suffer in order to see one's offspring, live for a long time, and to have the LORD's will prosper?

Couldn't it all be done peacefully, free of guilt and in glorious bliss?

dunno why its necessary, but its a reality, everyone suffers.

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #7 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 11:49am

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:50pm:

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:44pm:

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

i dont understand the contradiction here. the passage is saying that people will have suffering but they will also have success....

It's about a single person and it doesn't suggest any success other than to see his offspring and to endure for a long time (though apparently through a fog of suffering). It is the will of the LORD which prospers.

I find this contradictory given that He is a loving and benign God.

Why is it necessary to suffer in order to see one's offspring, live for a long time, and to have the LORD's will prosper?

Couldn't it all be done peacefully, free of guilt and in glorious bliss?

dunno why its necessary, but its a reality, everyone suffers.

Ahhhh, but is the will of the LORD prospering as a consequence?

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #8 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 12:02pm

deepthought wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 11:49am:

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:50pm:

deepthought wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:44pm:

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:03am:

"Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

i dont understand the contradiction here. the passage is saying that people will have suffering but they will also have success....

It's about a single person and it doesn't suggest any success other than to see his offspring and to endure for a long time (though apparently through a fog of suffering). It is the will of the LORD which prospers.

I find this contradictory given that He is a loving and benign God.

Why is it necessary to suffer in order to see one's offspring, live for a long time, and to have the LORD's will prosper?

Couldn't it all be done peacefully, free of guilt and in glorious bliss?

dunno why its necessary, but its a reality, everyone suffers.

Ahhhh, but is the will of the LORD prospering as a consequence?

i just read the whole chapter. in context the text is referring to the Messiah, that is the messiah will suffer and thus the will of the lord will be served. as a Christian this reflects well on jesus' life, jesus being the Christian messiah.

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #9 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 12:10pm

Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 12:02pm:

i just read the whole chapter. in context the text is referring to the Messiah, that is the messiah will suffer and thus the will of the lord will be served. as a Christian this reflects well on jesus' life, jesus being the Christian messiah.

Ahhh, now it makes sense.

That bloody sprint!!!! Wink

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Reply #10 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 2:14pm

I must have lost it, because this messiah stuff doesn't make much sense to me anymore. Someone said that God was a vengeful, merciless SOB in the Old Testament, but changed in the New Testament because like every parent he softened when he had a child. John Dominic Crossan called the crucifixion "child abuse". I would call it a very strange idea.

You commit a crime, Jesus pays the penalty. Condition: Serve and worship me for life. "You'll be very happy, trust me." (Start by getting rid of all your porn, and helping little old ladies cross the road.)

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Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction.
Reply #11 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:43pm

Ray_A wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 2:14pm:

I must have lost it, because this messiah stuff doesn't make much sense to me anymore. Someone said that God was a vengeful, merciless SOB in the Old Testament, but changed in the New Testament because like every parent he softened when he had a child. John Dominic Crossan called the crucifixion "child abuse". I would call it a very strange idea.

You commit a crime, Jesus pays the penalty. Condition: Serve and worship me for life. "You'll be very happy, trust me." (Start by getting rid of all your porn, and helping little old ladies cross the road.)

Or getting rid of the little old ladies and help your porn across the road.

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Ray_A Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 334 Gender:	Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction. Reply #12 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:47pm deepthought wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:43pm: Or getting rid of the little old ladies and help your porn across the road. Porn is better than little old ladies.
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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction. Reply #13 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:55pm Ray_A wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:47pm: deepthought wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:43pm: Or getting rid of the little old ladies and help your porn across the road. Porn is better than little old ladies. I know which I would prefer to have by my side in bed . . . (blasphemy in the spirituality thread)
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Ray_A Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 334 Gender:	Re: The Inexplicable Contradiction. Reply #14 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:59pm deepthought wrote on Mar 30^th, 2008 at 3:55pm: I know which I would prefer to have by my side in bed . . . (blasphemy in the spirituality thread) I don't mind helping them across the road. As long as they don't mind me looking at "objectionable material". Each to his/her own?
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