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Re: How do we define unfaithful?
Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:54pm
 
Yes really.

I think people in a committed relationship should try to make the relationship work, for sure. But i also think that if either partner falls in love with someone else, nto because they are lookign for someone but because they do for whatever reason- neglect or otherwise at home, well that is what has happened. there is little benefit in pretending otherwise. But sex is an actual action that is taken by choice- that is unfaithfulness.
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Re: How do we define unfaithful?
Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 9:34pm
 
cautious connie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:54pm:
Yes really.

I think people in a committed relationship should try to make the relationship work, for sure. But i also think that if either partner falls in love with someone else, nto because they are lookign for someone but because they do for whatever reason- neglect or otherwise at home, well that is what has happened. there is little benefit in pretending otherwise. But sex is an actual action that is taken by choice- that is unfaithfulness.


and the topic is...

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[Would the other partner feels more betrayed by the actual act of infidelity..sharing anothers body..or would that partner feel more betrayed to know the partner was no longer in love with them or emotionally connected...but actually in love with another but never acknowledged or consumated


This was the question connie..your responses so far have not actually touched upon this .So what do you think.? This is the topic.

You tell me Im setting up a blame fest and now your trying to change the topic to suit yourself.
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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 5:44pm
 

This reads rather sad..I feel sorry for this woman and yet she feels bad..


The Lover's Perspective on Infidelity

In most affairs, there are three players: (1) the wayward spouse, (2) the wayward spouse's lover and (3) the wayward spouse's spouse. My goal as a marriage counselor has been to help the wayward spouse leave the lover and reconcile with his or her spouse. That goal is achieved in most of the cases I've witnessed. The husband and wife learn to meet each other's emotional needs, ending the risk of divorce and future unfaithfulness.

But what happens to the lover? My plan of reconciliation seems to give lovers the boot, ignoring their feelings entirely. But in fact, my plan does take the feelings of lovers into account, and there are important and positive steps they can take to come out of the situation emotionally healthy and happy.

My plan for the lover is explained in my answers to the letters I am posting this week. The first letter is written by a married lover, and the second by a single lover.




Dear Dr. Harley,
I have read many books, searching for solutions to my particular problem, but I have found nothing that helps me. I have been married for 23 years to a very unkind and abusive man. Even though I have tried very hard to be the wife he needs, he continues to be cruel to me and critical of whatever I do.

A year ago I found myself very much in love with my employer. His wife became suspicious, and threatened to leave him, so we ended the working relationship. I am sorry to tell you we have resumed seeing each other....although the once every 2 or 3 weeks is a far cry from the 5-days a week we were seeing each other when I worked for him. We have tried to stay away from each other, but it never lasts.

Very little is written to help the "other woman". Lots out there for the tempted male, and for the deceived wife, but virtually nothing to help us "others" get free of the desire and weakness. I have prayed every prayer I know to pray, I have fasted several times, I have had religious counseling,....but all fail when this man calls me, needing me. This is the first time I have ever felt truly "loved". The pull is so strong -- if I give him up, I will never have another warm, loving, passionate relationship as long as I live. What do you suggest

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this woman should leave her spouse if possible..he has not honoured his vows and she is suffering.
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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 6:31pm
 
What a tangled web we weave.  Yes Oceans - she should leave her husband.  If she's not in love with him anymore and she finds him cruel and abusive - there's no point staying.

She is the one who has been unfaithful though.  If her husband has been cruel and abusive for so long why has she stayed with him?

She sounds very confused and mixed up - but she's hurting herself, her husband and the wife of the man she's in love with.

Obviously her lover isn't prepared to leave his wife - so she needs to back off now, put it down to a sweet experience and go on alone and make a life for herself where no-one will get hurt.  She needs to concentrate on getting her mind sorted out first.

I hope that doesn't sound too callous - but I haven't much sympathy for her or her lover and feel a bit sad for the innocent parties.
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Reply #19 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 7:32am
 
I would feel more betrayed by the sexual act- that is obvious from what I said, which was intended to answer the question. I view sex as an intentional act. Falling in love is not. Therefore I would feel more betrayed by the person who was intentionally hurting me.
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Reply #20 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 11:51am
 
cautious connie wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 at 7:32am:
I would feel more betrayed by the sexual act- that is obvious from what I said, which was intended to answer the question. I view sex as an intentional act. Falling in love is not. Therefore I would feel more betrayed by the person who was intentionally hurting me.


Thanks for that Connie..

I am opposite to you..although yes sex is an intentional act, it depends on what the intent is and why`..if the intent is borne from a hurt soul who believes I dont love him anymore or if he was intending to be deliberately cruel to make me" pay" for something, if he was merley acting out without much thought at all(it happens) then I would say, bad bad bad, but if he had nothing invetsed in the female I would think ok.."this is unforgiveable- but at least he never loved her"..for if he did love her, it means he,s replaced me and that would mean my time with him would have to end..i would end it.

I cant live without love.

I have had an unfaithful man..he didnt love his "conquests" but I believed he didnt love me either" although when we split he went to great pains to tell me he did. I could not feel it, that was the problem.

He went to other women to hurt me..he got whatever he wanted from me at home, I was niave and compliant. There was 11 yrs between us he was the older. It was the lack of love that hurt me the most...I couldnt get past it.

I had no choice but to leave.
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Re: How do we define unfaithful?
Reply #21 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:07pm
 
I think a lack of love hurts and I do not like feeling unloved and unimportant. To me that he had sex with other women would be the significant factor. If he fell in love with someone else I would be hurt but I at least would not think he intended to hurt me. I would expect a lack of love to lead to a break-up though.

Sounds to me like this man attacked your self-esteem in a big way and it does not surprise me that you broke up. See, I think that  in choosing to be with other women sexually he is devaluing you and your relationship.  You are very very very likely better off without him- gives you a chance to build a new life.
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Re: How do we define unfaithful?
Reply #22 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:16pm
 
cautious connie wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:07pm:
I think a lack of love hurts and I do not like feeling unloved and unimportant. To me that he had sex with other women would be the significant factor. If he fell in love with someone else I would be hurt but I at least would not think he intended to hurt me. I would expect a lack of love to lead to a break-up though.

Sounds to me like this man attacked your self-esteem in a big way and it does not surprise me that you broke up. See, I think that  in choosing to be with other women sexually he is devaluing you and your relationship.  You are very very very likely better off without him- gives you a chance to build a new life.



Yes he did..of course he  devalued me, no question about that. That was hard to deal with of course.

I am better off without him and the process of forgiving him took a long time. But I did and I have moved on.

The thing I most regret was the time I wasted with him.

If Id thought he,d loved me I may have been willing to stay.

Some pple dont know what love is.. I have to feel sorry for them , not me.

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