sprint, ur last post didn't make any sense.

the verse mentions those "deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ", then u proceed to say that muslims recognise Jesus.

so how is that verse supposed to be related to them?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 3:15pm:


as far as i'm aware, the only difference between muslims and christians in relation to Jesus is that muslims don't think he is God or the Son of God.

but both christians and muslims see him as the messiah.

Muslims have no messiah.


jesus is not very important to them.

to muslims god is a master and they are servents/slaves. to christians god is father and theya re children.

Now theres a very interesting theological point you bought up there ausnat.

mohammad was born 616 years after Jesus died on the Cross.
Frm what you said, he shagged a 9 year old when he was 50.
Makes it 666 years from Jesus sacrifice.


"so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.  This calls for wisdom.
If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number.
His number is 666."
Revelation 13:17-18


"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."
2 John 1:7 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 11:18pm:


interesting point u make sprintcyclist, that is until u look up ur facts and u realise that muhammed was born is 570, not 616 (well according to wikipedia anyway).

did u just make that whole thing up??

Someone  ask for Muslim input? 


My name's Adz, I'm 23 m and living in Melbourne.. I'll be your designated Muslim.. I do a lot of interfaith work and would be pleased to help in any way I can. If you have a question I cannot answer I will endeavor to find an answer for you.. So what questions do you guys actually have?

Okay, now I already see a few questions/accusations here which I will try and clarify.. Muhammad peace be upon him was about 570 CE

Also, Regarding the age of Aisha at the time of her marriage to Muhammad pbuh (peace be upon him).

Even though some hadith sources state that she married him at 6 and consumated at 9, I and many other Muslims disagree with this statement.. But why do we?

Well from the available evidence and testing we have found that Aisha was in between 10-14 when she married Muhammad and between 14-20 when she consummated her marriage with him.

Here are a few pieces of the evidence this is based on.

    * Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.

    * Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.

    * According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at fifty-two.

    *According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

There is a site online where it shows alot of the evidence. Please go to http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm for more info.

Massalaama (Go with peace),

Adz

PS. If you have questions about Islam please feel free to ask them, However it is proper etiquette when discussing matters of such sensitivity to do so politely. I am not going to try and insult Christianity or any other religion because people have faith in it and it's not appropriate. I would appreciate the same from people on this forum. Derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him are counter productive and evidence of one not actually having sincere and genuine questions about Islam that need clarification, but instead wanting to insult.. I see that as no benefit to any of us.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25^th, 2008 at 9:19pm:


Thank you Sprint, I am glad to be here.

Do you think Muslims may not be turning up on the site because of the blatant disrespect and complete lack of decency and etiquette that you show towards their beliefs?

Please do not try and make it look like I am discouraging you from asking questions about Islam. It is very evident by my post that I have not done that at all. Thus nothing of the sort will be reflecting on me.

I have no problems with you asking me any questions whatsoever, I certainly won't be offended by genuine questions and I definitely encourage you to ask them. But how do you expect to engage in meaningful and respectful dialogue when you outwardly go out to explicitly insult my faith?

Massalaama

Adz

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25^th, 2008 at 10:17pm:

I don't believe I had a query for you to answer Sprint..

Like I said, all interfaith dialogue requires is common decency and respect. I engage in interfaith dialogue with people of all faiths including Chrisitans and Jews and I have had many great times doing so. We get to know each other and share our experiences and build really great bonds..

I'd like to be able to speak with people of other faiths on here and clarify their misconceptions of Islam.. I just hope that we can do this all respectfully.