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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41868 Gender:	Re: A muslim input Reply #45 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 10:49am Skeptic, yes I'm a christian. I also have a strong support of freedom of speech. Well, it is a possibility, isn't it ?? Course, I don't think so. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion here. So, would you lie in order to get yourself crucified ?
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Reply #46 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 10:59am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2007 at 10:49am:

Well, it is a possibility, isn't it ??

well, if u really think that it's possible that Jesus lied, then u can't call urself a practising christian.
part of being a practising christian is believing in Jesus without any doubt.

if u have doubt, and think it's possible that he lied, then u really aren't christian. have a think about it, do u really expect him to be ur saviour when u have doubts about what he said?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: A muslim input Reply #47 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:17am Do reasons justify actions? Isn't that the definition of justification? part of being a practising christian is believing in Jesus without any doubt I thought it was acknowledging your own flaws, including doubt
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Reply #48 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:29am

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:17am:

part of being a practising christian is believing in Jesus without any doubt

I thought it was acknowledging your own flaws, including doubt

yeah, ur supposed to acknowledge ur own flaws, but not that Jesus is flawed.

Jesus is infallible, i.e. perfect and without flaws. but to suggest he is a liar is suggesting he is flawed and therefore not infallible.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: A muslim input Reply #49 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:35am Sprint was acknowledging that he had doubts and could not claim to be completely certain. Didn't Jesus do something similar on the cross?
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skeptic Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 188	Re: A muslim input Reply #50 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:38am freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2007 at 11:35am: Sprint was acknowledging that he had doubts and could not claim to be completely certain. christians are absolutely certain about Jesus, so if u have doubts and think that Jesus may have been a liar, then u can hardly call urself christian.
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Reply #52 - Jul 31^st, 2007 at 3:15pm

Hi skeptic and freediver,
Just a misunderstanding/ poor choice of words from me.

I meant "that is one way you could look at Jesus." Freedom of speech skeptic.
I am ok with criticism on Jesus/christians etc etc.
Question I posed was, "Would you lie in order to be crucified ?" Was my amswer as to the ... logic of Jesus being a liar.

My coming to Jesus was pretty dramatic. Think of the "road to damascus" style.
Thinking of it still brings tears to me, it was 8 years ago.
Yes, I know Him personally. So obviously He is the real deal. I'm absolutely certain.
I'm also a sinner. I'm certain of that one too !!

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skeptic Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 188	Re: A muslim input Reply #53 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 10:37am sprintcyclist, did u end up meeting ur muslim co-worker? what happened?
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Reply #54 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 1:20pm

Hi skeptic, how have you been ? Yes, met with him, it all went pretty well.
He did the vast majority of the talking.
I felt he was keen to explain his belief and put the muslim side across.
Probably quite hard being in a christian country feeling you get bad press coverage.

I gave him some questions from another guy and the muslim guy went into great detail on the answers, which was a pity as I did not get to ask any of my questions !!
It's interesting, what and how they believe/think.
I'ld like a few more meetings.

Will post the Q and A when he emails his answers to me. They were theological questions, also gave him a question pender asked.

Seems they are not too keen on any criticism. He said he is considering coming here to answer questions. That'ld be good.
I happy to pass on questions to him if you have any and post the replies back.

Before the meeting I got a quote for him (about the 4th for him I think) . This ones really complex, I'll have to do some homework on it for him to explain it to him before I pass it on..
It's one of the ones I don't understand either.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: A muslim input Reply #55 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 1:54pm Question for him: Is Islam inherently violent?
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skeptic Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 188	Re: A muslim input Reply #56 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 1:54pm was the answers he gave quite surprising, i.e. did u expect it? or was the same old stuff u expected to hear?
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Reply #57 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 3:26pm

Will send the query on freediver.

Skeptic - His answers were pretty much what i expected.
It'ld be nice if he came here to answer stuff. He's alright.
I can say what I think of it pretty neutrally, but is better if a muslim answers queries on muslim stuff.

Seems their belief is based on deeds. They are pretty "intense" and "serious" about it.
Feels to me they are more driven to a goal than drawn to one.

One answer he gave that I have heard is the word "allah" appears in the Bible.
From what I pick up, they are ok with the Old Testament, but feel the New Testament is completely corrupted by the different versions . Those were the sort of questions I had, that were not aired, unfortunatley.
I'll send him a few like that too.

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Youth Day organisers meet Muslims
Reply #58 - Aug 15^th, 2007 at 11:48am

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/youth-day-organisers-meet-muslims/2007/08/14/1186857503807.html

Islamic leaders have met with the organisers of the Catholic Church-sponsored World Youth Day 2008, and a similar briefing is planned for Jewish leaders.

Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims are expected to descend on Sydney for World Youth Day, which will be held from July 15 to July 20 next year.

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Reply #59 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 11:00am

A little bit more of that article :

"The Islamic leaders have been asked to inform their followers about the event to help minimise any inter-faith tension, Bishop Fisher said."

Puts quite a different slant on it .

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."
2 John 1:7

Make what you will of it.
Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet, nothing more .
Despite all of the prophecies given about him in the Old testament, oh, they also recognise the Old testament is being ok too.
Make what you will of that too.

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