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Reply #15 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 5:11pm
 
That's OK AN, if your antics are too much for him I can always give him his own board to moderate so he can set higher standards. Or, you could try being a bit more polite. It is genuinely intimidating for many people when they first start using online forums and I suspect many are turned away before they get a chance to appreciate the benefits. I would really love to have someone here who can advocate for Islam. The debate always seems to be so one sided.
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Reply #16 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 7:37pm
 
i would love a muslim on here, so we can argue with someone who acttually know about islam.
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Reply #17 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 11:08pm
 
Thanks freediver, AN and pender.
Perhaps if he is too busy a friend of his can blog here. Anyway, at the right time I will ask him.
Probably a good idea to tell him it is a fairly "robust" discussion.
However, the aninomity .... helps everyone.


I agree, it would be beneficial for any spiritual forum to have representation from all quarters.
And, it's entirely different to talk to someone themselves, rather than read the newspapers etc etc etc.
Ask your own questions, interact .  Entirely different.

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Reply #18 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 1:38pm
 
Can you ask him to explain why :- Jesus is the christian version of "mohomad", they both preach love, forgiveness and peace on the path to a meeting with Divinity, muslims call it Alah, christians call it God, they are telling the same story in a different language, why is one right and the other wrong, who says that your path to divinity is not in a different direction to mine with the same meeting point (heaven).
Is it not the same as :- you and I meet at the bottom of a circle, you go left , I go right and we will meet at the top. Does that mean that one direction was the wrong one.

Then tell him to "take a smacking chill pill, mind your own business with regards to what other religions choose to believe and worry about your  own destiny. Now bugger off back to your war torn dump of a country slay some more human beings because they share their own interpretation of the Koran or the Bible and leave Australias multi cultural peace and acceptance the bugger alone!

Well maybe not the last bit Grin
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Reply #19 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:51pm
 
merou wrote on Jul 27th, 2007 at 1:38pm:
Can you ask him to explain why :- Jesus is the christian version of "mohomad", they both preach love, forgiveness and peace on the path to a meeting with Divinity, muslims call it Alah, christians call it God, they are telling the same story in a different language, why is one right and the other wrong, who says that your path to divinity is not in a different direction to mine with the same meeting point (heaven).
Is it not the same as :- you and I meet at the bottom of a circle, you go left , I go right and we will meet at the top. Does that mean that one direction was the wrong one.

Then tell him to "take a smacking chill pill, mind your own business with regards to what other religions choose to believe and worry about your  own destiny. Now bugger off back to your war torn dump of a country slay some more human beings because they share their own interpretation of the Koran or the Bible and leave Australias multi cultural peace and acceptance the bugger alone!

Well maybe not the last bit Grin



you have alot to learn my young friend.

muslims believe in jesus as well as the big M btw.
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Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 12:14am
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:51pm:
muslims believe in jesus as well as the big M btw.


No shite Einstein. So explain why they both can not be saying the same thing, describing "their" path to divinity.
Is it not possible that jesus, muhomed, buddha the Dalhi Lama, and all these "messiahs" are describing to the world, in their own words the path to divinity. It still does not mean one is more or less "correct" than the other.
Every single country, town, village, settlement, state etc on this planet has rules or laws based on a "religious" belief, maybe there is one "goal" with many paths.

Basicaly what if all the different spiritual or religious belief systems in the world tell the same story with different metaphors. Still they kill each other over their differing interpretations, look at shi-ite and sunni muslims for bugger sake.
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Reply #21 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
merou wrote on Jul 28th, 2007 at 12:14am:
Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:51pm:
muslims believe in jesus as well as the big M btw.


No shite Einstein. So explain why they both can not be saying the same thing, describing "their" path to divinity.
Is it not possible that jesus, muhomed, buddha the Dalhi Lama, and all these "messiahs" are describing to the world, in their own words the path to divinity. It still does not mean one is more or less "correct" than the other.
Every single country, town, village, settlement, state etc on this planet has rules or laws based on a "religious" belief, maybe there is one "goal" with many paths.

Basicaly what if all the different spiritual or religious belief systems in the world tell the same story with different metaphors. Still they kill each other over their differing interpretations, look at shi-ite and sunni muslims for bugger sake.


Christians and muslims never want to achieve "divinity".

Islam has no Messiah, nor does budhism.

if you knew anything of these religions you would know that they have completly different philosophies that contradict each other. Islam and Christianity do not focus at all on enlightenment, that is budhism. Islam focuses on submitting to god, christianity focuses on loving god, budhism focuses on loving oneself and improving oneself. To islam and christianity the budhist idea that human can achieve anything on their own is carazy.

Muslims find is repulsive that christians believe in a personal relationship between god and each person, much the same as father son/daughter. 

Have you ever wondered why socialists and capitalists fight? why cant they get along hey. lol
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Reply #22 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 6:05pm
 
Pender that doesn't actually contradict what merou is saying.
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Reply #23 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 8:28pm
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 28th, 2007 at 6:02pm:
Christians and muslims never want to achieve "divinity".

Islam has no Messiah, nor does budhism.
To islam and christianity the budhist idea that human can achieve anything on their own is carazy.



They are only interpreting their relevant text. Was Jesus a christian, was muhomad a muslim, the religions were based around these profits messages. That doesn't mean that Buddha, God and Alah are not the same "diety".
Actualy Pender I couldn't really give a flying bugger, as far as I'm concerned religion is merely a way of controlling society, they ALL preach love, and control is not love. They are all as bad as one another as far as critisizing another persons right to search for God in the best way they see fit.

Pender, what do you believe to be the situation regarding who is closest to the truth about life? who has more right to say "you got all wrong" you are obviously well schooled in all aspects of religion, I look forward to hearing your educated insight.
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Reply #24 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 2:02am
 
I invited here, via email. 
Thought it only fair to warn him he may find some comments here insulting.
My experience is any criticism is an insult.

So anyway, hope he turns up.

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Reply #25 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 10:31am
 
I hope he does too, I look forward hearing his view of the current state of religion and to understanding more about why the extremists views can differ so much from the every day muslims. I have known a few muslims and they didn't see blowing up non muslims as part of the Koran's message. It's not fair to judge a whole religion on by the actions of the extremists. Was the catholic church judged by the actions of the Knights Templar, it certainly isn't today.
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Reply #26 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 4:47pm
 
good on you merou, now I can tell thim there is one other person would like to hear the muslim side from a muslim.
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Reply #27 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 6:56pm
 
Are you afraid to meet him away from work Sprint - did you take the statement about correcting your interpretation of the Koran as a threat?

I think there are a lot of Muslims who are non-threatening.
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Reply #28 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 7:07pm
 
the catholic church excommunicated the Knights templar, and led their dismantlement process, the same cannot be said for muslim religious leaders interraction with islamic terrorist groups.

what i was getting at before is that each religion teaches not only a different "path" but also a different result, or "meeting point". And so for someone to say that Budda and Jesus or anyone else were trying to or even unconciously attempting to achieve a parallel ends is an uneducated assumption.

Yes budda and jesus were both trying to inspire people to achieve something greater but that is where the simmilarity between the two stops. One could say a school teacher trys to inspire his/her pupils to something greater, does that make every school teacher a messiah and every school book a bible?

Besides jesus specifically states that the only way to the father is through him, i dont know how clearer you can get than that. Jesus believed 100% that everyone else was infact wrong or at least less right, and so christians must hold that same belief.

Hinduism for instance teaches of no heaven but instead reincarnation.

Buddhism teaches of nirvana which is different concept to heaven.

ancient Norse believed the more people they killed in battle the greater their reward.

the only reason islam, christianity and judaism have such similar beliefs is that they addmittedly come from the same source.

How can you say that neither the norse or the christians are more or less right than the other, when one calls for less killing and the other calls for more? cearly one here is right and the other is wrong. Unless ofcourse you describe to the post modern belief that right or wrong is simply perspective.

which may i ad is the most contradictory belief possible.
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Reply #29 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 7:15pm
 
the catholic church excommunicated the Knights templar, and led their dismantlement process, the same cannot be said for muslim religious leaders interraction with islamic terrorist groups.

You mean like Hilaly getting fired, or muftis in the middle east denouncing terrorism?
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