deepthought wrote on Feb 4^th, 2008 at 1:40pm:



Of course I can answer your point, but my position involves no hypocrisy. 

(There is, by the way at least one very important distinction between the two cases.  One involved the death penalty and the positive steps taken by Keelty to send young idiot Australians to their graves, contrary to Government Policy, when he could have arrested and charged them with conspiracy to import, a charge which would obviously have stuck.)

Haneef was arrested and CHARGED, NOT RELEASED until after he was granted bail.  Within days of that arrest, and before Haneef was charged, Keelty knew the stuff about the sim card was crap.  Notwithstanding, he bluffed his way on, and charged, probably hoping something would turn up onto which he could hang his hat.  He kept on with the release of rubbish like, photos of buildings said to be likely targets, the Indian 'dossier', the innuendo about incriminating content in the Record of Interview....blown out of the water by Keim's courageous public release of those Records.....

Of course, their best laid plans were stuffed by a Magistrate who granted haneef bail on the terrorist charge.

He was held illegally in custody, by Howard's Government, after having his visa revoked.  Having done that revocation, Andrews ought to have immediately deported haneef.

Finally after Hearings concerning the original visa cancellation, Keellty drops the charges and thus lost the last vestige of credibility he may have had, after dobbing Australians in to a murderous Government, when he could have had them dealt with by the Australian Judicial System.

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Fact is DT, undeniably, that Keelty dobbed these idiots in to the murderous Country Indonesia, contrary to Australian Government Policy, and I have no idea how he manages to wash his hands each morning.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1491495.htm

I am not defaming him. 

I am pointing out that Keelty made a conscious and deliberate decision not to arrest and charge in Australia on a conspiracy count, but rather to allow nine young Australian idiots to leave these shores for their very likely grave, having already dobbed them in to their destination, a murderous Country.

DT, do not make me the Topic. 

The facts are, and Keelty will agree.......

1.  Nine young and stupid Australians, as a collective, planned and agreed to go to Indonesia to get drugs to bring back to Australia.

2.  Keelty was on to them.  He made a decision.

3.  Two, or about that, days before their planned departure, Keelty quite deliberately determined that he would allow these nine, who had already committed an offence in Australia, to leave Australia, and at the same time he told the Indonesians of their entire plans as known to him.

4.  He watched them leave Australia, he told the Indonesians that the mule headed dick heads were on the way.................when he could have arrested them here, and saved them from the Indonesian murderous process.

He made a quite deliberate choice.  The option he chose will lead to their deaths, and he knew that when he sat on his hands and allowed these idiots leave their more mercifull homeland.

He knew there were two choices.........arrest them here (and they fail in their plan to import drugs) or allow them to go to their grave, as 

(a)  He had already dobbed them in, and

(b)  He colluded with the Indonesians to ensure that they would be caught and he knew that when they were convicted they would be sentenced to death.

That was his process.

I could not do that, play with the life of Australians. 

I could easily have done it if Indonesia was not a murderous Country.

He chose to be part of the final catalysts of their deaths, when he had another viable option.

Fact.

This is not a smart arse debate, DT.....it is about what the facts are....and they are, and Keelty will agree:





1.  Nine young and stupid Australians, as a collective, planned and agreed to go to Indonesia to get drugs to bring back to Australia.

2.  Keelty was on to them.  He made a decision.

3.  Two, or about that, days before their planned departure, Keelty quite deliberately determined that he would allow these nine, who had already committed an offence in Australia, to leave Australia, and at the same time he told the Indonesians of their entire plans as known to him.

4.  He watched them leave Australia, he told the Indonesians that the mule headed thingy heads were on the way.................when he could have arrested them here, and saved them from the Indonesian murderous process.

He made a quite deliberate choice.  The option he chose will lead to their deaths, and he knew that when he sat on his hands and allowed these idiots leave their more mercifull homeland.

He knew there were two choices.........arrest them here (and they fail in their plan to import drugs) or allow them to go to their grave, as 

(a)  He had already dobbed them in, and

(b)  He colluded with the Indonesians to ensure that they would be caught and he knew that when they were convicted they would be sentenced to death.

That was his process.

I could not do that, play with the life of Australians. 

I could easily have done it if Indonesia was not a murderous Country.

He chose to be part of the final catalysts of their deaths, when he had another viable option.





All facts.....

If you want to contest that I have any one of them wrong, proceed.

If you seek just an excuse to exchange smart arse comments, go to D&R.

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Stay focussed on that simple task, DT.

If, just once more, you rant on to some other rhetorical rubbish, you will have successfully shut me up through sheer boredom, but you will not have addressed the facts.

This is not a good sign for a successful career in Law.

The facts always come first, then the Law, and smart-arse crap last.

I vote DT for PM and attorney-general