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Reply #105 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 7:47pm
 
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I strongly doubt the AFP had any information after three days which would have allowed Haneef to go free.  As far as I recollect it they were waiting on information from overseas to corroborate Haneef's story


Your recollection is flawed.  The Brits sent a female forensic guru over in the first two days of his detention.  She left without any attempt to extradite haneef to the UK.

We all know why now.

But, she knew then that the case against haneef was buggered.

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Reply #106 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 7:53pm
 
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If you don't care about the Bali 9 you seem to be happy to defame a perfectly good policeman for nothing at all then.  You claimed Keelty had sent the drug smugglers to their deaths - the drug smugglers did that, not Keelty


Wrong. Keelty sat on his hands knowing that these idiots would be caught in a Country where they would hang.

He had ample power of detention/arrest to keep them here and stuff the whole thing up.

He chose to be God and he alone, ultimately within Australia, stands to answer for their deaths.

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Reply #107 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 8:05pm
 
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It's just a way of reintroducing the death penalty by stealth - helping other countries to execute our citizens rather than doing it ourselves. The AFP should only cooperate with other countries if they agree to take the death penalty off the table. The AFP betrayed the parents of these kids, who had a reasonable expectation that their kids would not end up in the Bangkok Hilton.


That was well said and I agree Freediver.  The AFP should have arrested them while they were on the way out with the drugs rather than cooperating with the police at the other end.

As far as not caring Deepthought, these people aren't connected to me and there is nothing I can personally do to make their situation better.  Of course if it had been someone close to me, it would have been a different story. 

I am not defaming Keelty - he has done that himself.  When the Iraq war was announced he took a strong stance and was reprimanded by the government and since then he has sold his soul to the devil.  He is a weak man and not suitable to be Commissioner of the AFP.

The AFP received the information they needed in regard to the sim card two days after Haneef was arrested, but the AFP for whatever reason, chose to keep him incarcerated - maybe because it would win kudos from the great master himself.  There was no further evidence collected after that time - it was all show.
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Reply #108 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 8:39pm
 
I am not defaming Keelty

Technically you are. The defense (both moral and legal) is that you were just bringing his reputation down to where it should be, and that he is a public figure who opens himself up to such criticism.
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Reply #109 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:29pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2008 at 7:42pm:
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Minister Andrews did his job -


Incompetently..............as has been determined by The Law.


Actually no, the presiding rule breaker determined that due to a technicality the visa should be reinstated.  Had the right test been applied the revocation would have been appropriate.  Alas Mr Andrews is not a judge with hours of time to ponder such matters and could not have predicted the way the rule breaker would have applied the particular legislation.  But then, lawyers argue points of law all the time.

Mr Andrews acted according to the information he had at the time.  His crystal ball was on the blink.
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Reply #110 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2008 at 7:47pm:
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I strongly doubt the AFP had any information after three days which would have allowed Haneef to go free.  As far as I recollect it they were waiting on information from overseas to corroborate Haneef's story


Your recollection is flawed.  The Brits sent a female forensic guru over in the first two days of his detention.  She left without any attempt to extradite haneef to the UK.

We all know why now.

But, she knew then that the case against haneef was buggered.



We all knew why then, that is those of us who can see the big picture clearly.  You still seem to labour under the illusion that a person committing a crime in one country also commits a crime in other countries simultaneously.  Giving someone a SIM card is not a crime - yet that is all Haneef appears to have done in the UK.  Why would the poms extradite him for a non-crime?

His detention here was as a terrorist suspect, his involvement yet to be determined - hence the detention for questioning.  It is quite common that suspects are detained.  I assure you there is nothing out of the ordinary in that.


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Reply #111 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2008 at 7:53pm:
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If you don't care about the Bali 9 you seem to be happy to defame a perfectly good policeman for nothing at all then.  You claimed Keelty had sent the drug smugglers to their deaths - the drug smugglers did that, not Keelty


Wrong. Keelty sat on his hands knowing that these idiots would be caught in a Country where they would hang.

He had ample power of detention/arrest to keep them here and stuff the whole thing up.

He chose to be God and he alone, ultimately within Australia, stands to answer for their deaths.



What would he arrest travellers for Aussie?  What would the charge be?  You keep blustering old bean.
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Reply #112 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:49pm
 
mantra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2008 at 8:05pm:
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It's just a way of reintroducing the death penalty by stealth - helping other countries to execute our citizens rather than doing it ourselves. The AFP should only cooperate with other countries if they agree to take the death penalty off the table. The AFP betrayed the parents of these kids, who had a reasonable expectation that their kids would not end up in the Bangkok Hilton.


That was well said and I agree Freediver.  The AFP should have arrested them while they were on the way out with the drugs rather than cooperating with the police at the other end.


They didn't take any drugs out.   They were bringing drugs from Indonesia after they had already left Australia.   What would they be arrested for?   You all keep repeating it but no one is making sense.   They had committed no crime when they left the country.   How could they be charged?  Please will one of you explain this rather obvious contradiction?

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As far as not caring Deepthought, these people aren't connected to me and there is nothing I can personally do to make their situation better.  Of course if it had been someone close to me, it would have been a different story.  

I am not defaming Keelty - he has done that himself.  When the Iraq war was announced he took a strong stance and was reprimanded by the government and since then he has sold his soul to the devil.  He is a weak man and not suitable to be Commissioner of the AFP.

The AFP received the information they needed in regard to the sim card two days after Haneef was arrested, but the AFP for whatever reason, chose to keep him incarcerated - maybe because it would win kudos from the great master himself.  There was no further evidence collected after that time - it was all show.


Mr Keelty is not defaming himself.  You are.  By saying he has sent people off to be killed is defamatory.   Will you explain how he could have stopped them and how he incited them to go off and die please.   Don't keep alleging falsehoods about a well respected policeman.

There was a great deal of evidence about Haneef which came to light after the SIM card.  Don't you recall the chat room conversations and emails?  The phone calls?  Am I the only one who did not sleep through the entire investigation?
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Reply #113 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:56am
 
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They didn't take any drugs out.   They were bringing drugs from Indonesia after they had already left Australia.   What would they be arrested for?   You all keep repeating it but no one is making sense.   They had committed no crime when they left the country.   How could they be charged?  Please will one of you explain this rather obvious contradiction?


They certainly had, one of conspiracy to import drugs into Australia.  If I am wrong, what Keelty knew was certainly enough for him to order their arrest, and even if they were later released without charge, it would very likely have been enough to save them from themselves.
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Reply #114 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 12:01pm
 
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Don't keep alleging falsehoods about a well respected policeman.


There is now a considerable and very dark cloud over his head, given his handling of the Bali 9 and especially haneef.  The conduct of the AFP (re: haneef) for which Keelty is responsible suggests an easy willingness for them to become the corrupt agent for implementing a failed attempt by politicians to put another 'Tampa' together just before an election.
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Reply #115 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:56am:
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They didn't take any drugs out.   They were bringing drugs from Indonesia after they had already left Australia.   What would they be arrested for?   You all keep repeating it but no one is making sense.   They had committed no crime when they left the country.   How could they be charged?  Please will one of you explain this rather obvious contradiction?


They certainly had, one of conspiracy to import drugs into Australia.  If I am wrong, what Keelty knew was certainly enough for him to order their arrest, and even if they were later released without charge, it would very likely have been enough to save them from themselves.



So on the one hand you are critical of Keelty arresting and releasing without charge a suspected terrorist and on the other hand you are critical of not arresting and releasing without charge some innocent Aussies who may import drugs at some future time.

Do I read your hypocrisy right?
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Reply #116 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:10pm
 
Who was arrested and released without charge?
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Reply #117 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:10pm
 
Also, it would not be unreasonable for the AFP to provide info to a foreign country on the condition that the Australians are arrested when they arrive here with the drugs.
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Reply #118 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:40pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:10pm:
Who was arrested and released without charge?


Haneef.

Can you explain your hypocritical position?
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Reply #119 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:10pm:
Also, it would not be unreasonable for the AFP to provide info to a foreign country on the condition that the Australians are arrested when they arrive here with the drugs.



Yeah, good idea, but that is not what Keelty or the AFP did.  Knowing pretty precisely what these idiots were up to, a couple of days before they had left Australia, Keelty dobbed them in to Indonesian Authorites with no conditions attached whatsoever.  He presented them, contrary to Government Policy, to the tender mercies of the death penalty brigade, an a platter. 

The man KNEW he was allowing them to go to their deaths.
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