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the 'provocation' defence
Jul 6th, 2007 at 5:01pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/No-need-to-change-provocation-law-Shine/2007/07/06/1183351441162.html

Queensland Attorney-General Kerry Shine has warned against any "knee-jerk reaction" to abolish or amend the murder defence of provocation following a controversial manslaughter case.

A Supreme Court jury last weekend found Damian Karl Sebo, 30, of Pacific Pines on the Gold Coast, guilty of manslaughter after he confessed to using a steering-wheel lock to bash to death his lover, 16-year-old Taryn Jessica Hunt.

But he was acquitted of the teenager's murder, after he successfully argued he was provoked after the girl taunted him with tales of cheating on him with other men.

The case has sparked outrage over the leniency of the sentence and lawyers' use of provocation as a defence.

"I fully sympathise with them for their tragic loss ... however the law thus has been now in place well over for 100 years, so far as providing the possibility of the defence of provocation, has been there for good reason for that length of time," he said.
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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 6:59pm
 
The case caused "outrage" because it was a female victim.

Normally it is a man who gets murdered by his wife in such extenuating circumstances.
ie, the husband is a long tern alcoholic who has mistreated his wife for years. She breaks and kills him.
One lawyer I heard say "getting off this one is a formality." He was right and just.

Now it is a mans time for compassion, there is outrage.

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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 7:02pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2007 at 6:59pm:
The case caused "outrage" because it was a female victim.

Normally it is a man who gets murdered by his wife in such extenuating circumstances.
ie, the husband is a long tern alcoholic who has mistreated his wife for years. She breaks and kills him.
One lawyer I heard say "getting off this one is a formality." He was right and just.

Now it is a mans time for compassion, there is outrage.



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Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 7:09pm
 
The girl was only 16 years of age - the guy was 30.

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Reply #4 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 7:13pm
 
Thanks for confirming my explaination ladies.

Obviously he did do a bad thing. The law says there were reasons for hs actions.
Hence not guilty of murder, but manslaughter.

Men get no compassion, confirmed by the comments from the ladies here.
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Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 7:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 6th, 2007 at 7:13pm:
Thanks for confirming my explaination ladies.

Obviously he did do a bad thing. The law says there were reasons for hs actions.
Hence not guilty of murder, but manslaughter.

Men get no compassion, confirmed by the comments from the ladies here.



Who is outraged sprint?

I was putting a bit of light into a heavy topic.

No harm meant or intended..

I have compassion for men.
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Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 9:02pm
 
Sprintcyclist - I hope you're not serious.

The girl was 16 and has had her life cut off before it even started.  So what if she had other boys - she was a young teenager - most of them find it impossible to be in a monogomous relationship.

Of course no one has sympathy for this older bloke - he shouldn't have taken the relationship so seriously in the first place.

He has literally gotten away with murder.  

Very few people would have compassion for murderers.
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Reply #7 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 9:51pm
 
A Supreme Court jury last weekend found Damian Karl Sebo, 30, of Pacific Pines on the Gold Coast, guilty of manslaughter after he confessed to using a steering-wheel lock to bash to death his lover, 16-year-old Taryn Jessica Hunt.

But he was acquitted of the teenager's murder, after he successfully argued he was provoked after the girl taunted him with tales of cheating on him with other men.


This is disgusting, and as Mantra said..she was a child..
This is not a case of a man woman dispute Sprint,. At 16 she is a child and what was he doing with a child let alone buying into a relationship jealousy etc? What kind of defence is this?

It means if we get upset with soemone then its Ok because of we get angry and can prove how distressed we are then we can literally get away with murder.

I didnt read the post before I commented previous as would have been seen.

The man should have been locked up for a long time and charged with peadophilia while they were at it.

The relationship would have started while she was stilll a minor. Any decent judge would have seen the situtaion for what it is.
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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 4:55pm
 
He got manslaughter, which seems fair.

He was provoked by her taunting him with details of the lovers she was actively having.
That is the law, it has been that way for about 100 years.
Noone seems to mind when a woman benefits from this consideration.

He did wrong and is justly jailed for it.

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Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 5:04pm
 
He was provoked by her taunting him with details of the lovers she was actively having.


She was a child, not responsible for the effect her words may have on another person.

You admit he was justly jailed and I guess we can agree there.
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Qld Provocation defence to be audited
Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2007 at 12:20pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Qld-Provocation-defence-to-be-audited/2007/07/18/1184559863657.html

Queensland's long-established legal defence of provocation will be reviewed, following a controversial manslaughter verdict in the case of a man who bashed his girlfriend to death.

Attorney-General Kerry Shine, who initially refused to commit to a review, announced Wednesday that an inquiry into the so-called "accident defence", already underway, would now include an audit of the provocation defence.

Using the provocation defence, Sebo was jailed for 10 years for the lesser charge of manslaughter.

The decision prompted Ms Hunt's family to join the Queensland Homicide Victims Support Group in a campaign to force the government to review the provocation defence.

The accident defence - which says a person is not criminally responsible for an event occurring by accident - came under attention after defendants were acquitted in the trials relating to the deaths of David Stevens and Nigel Lee.

Stevens, 26, and Lee, 31, died in separate inner-city Brisbane assaults in 2005.



AFL star 'needled' before assault

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22108324-5006787,00.html

A MAGISTRATE has refused to issue a conviction against AFL star ruckman Dean Brogan for assaulting a surgeon in a dog park, after she found the premiership footballer had been provoked by the surgeon's "needling" and insults.

Brogan was appearing in court for the second time in relation to a guilty plea in an assault case. Although magistrate Koula Kossiavelos said there was no excuse for his actions, she limited the penalty to a $1000 fine plus court costs.

The court had heard the charge stemmed from a confrontation in the well-to-do Adelaide suburb of Millswood, when Dr Zahi Khouri's two dalmatians and Brogan's doberman had started fighting while all three animals were off the leash.

An argument over which owner should put which dog back on a lead led to a screaming match and a punch from Brogan that struck Dr Khouri above the forehead, opening a deep cut that required six stitches and left a scar.

Prior to the punch, Dr Khouri, who apparently did not recognise the high-profile footballer and former basketballer, had delivered a string of insults disparaging Brogan's appearance, his lack of maturity and even his presence in the park.
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