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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Well hot diggety.. Jul 4^th, 2007 at 9:36pm That was just to get you in. Now your here.. Do you think marriage is a neccessary union..a reason for your answer. Who invented marriage and besides protection of children, does it serve any purpose?
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #1 - Jul 4^th, 2007 at 9:54pm Im not sure if anyone left a post here this evening but somehow it got deleted..so if it was you..it was unintentional. mantra? Maybe Im just seeing things.
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Reply #2 - Jul 4^th, 2007 at 10:03pm

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[quote author=oceansblue link=1183549003/0#0 date=1183549003]That was just to get you in.

Now your here..

Oh ive been suckered in!

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Do you think marriage is a neccessary union..a reason for your answer.

I say yes, but today its a financial institution.

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Who invented marriage and besides protection of children, does it serve any purpose?

So the woman can have Dictatorial powers. Shocked

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cautious connie Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 215	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #3 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 7:15am Necessity is a peculiar beast. We all have different needs and whether a couple marry is an internal matter for their relationship. I guess my view is if people need to then they need to and if they don't then they don't. I feel more secure married. But there are certainly financial disadvantages.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53201 At my desk.	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #4 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 10:06am It also helps look after old people, not just children.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41817 Gender:	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #5 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 10:47am I liked being married the first time and am feeling good about it this time. it is not necessary.
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Reply #6 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 3:12pm

Necessity is a peculiar beast.

Dont get that but anyway..I think marriage is a stupid 'institution'..If a couple are committed a peice of legally binding paper only causes problems.

Its the deepest form of insecurity..like saying you will only stay with me if I 'trap' you...!

We have one life, why spend it in pergatory with soemone the law says you are legally bound to..for better or worse. Its like a life sentence. hard LABOR OF ITS NOT WORKING.

Why would you do that to someone you profess to love..???

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53201 At my desk.	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #7 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 3:33pm Marriage is more of a social contract than a legal one. That's the idea behind a wedding. You gather all your friends and realtives together and make a promise in front of them.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41817 Gender:	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #8 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 3:50pm legally, a wife/husband cannot testify against their spouse in a court of law. Reason being, the sanctity of marriage is considered to be more valuable than the possibility of a conviction.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53201 At my desk.	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #9 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 4:06pm Isn't that only in the US?
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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: Well hot diggety.. Reply #10 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 6:20pm marriage is a wonderful idea.
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Reply #11 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 8:27pm

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2007 at 3:33pm:

Marriage is more of a social contract than a legal one. That's the idea behind a wedding. You gather all your friends and realtives together and make a promise in front of them.

Well if its a social contract whats with bringing the law into it and the relgious sanctityof a church-?

Let it be social then..I think marriage or a promise between 2 pple is wonderful, but once we bring the law into it that becomes a whole different game..The couple falls out of love..resentment sets in and next thing you know you are tied to someone you depsise at worst and tolerate at best. Kids of that union are subject to a life of unhappiness and dysfunction.

A lot of pple stay married because of the shame of failure thru divorce..to save face its ludicrous.

Life is too short.

When I marry, it will be for love and my vows will centre around 'until we fall out of love'.............and it wont be legally binding .

The amount of truly happy unions we could count on one hand and the unhappy ones outweigh them quite heavily. A lot of miserable pple cheating on each other and living a lie.

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Reply #12 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 9:21pm

oceanz wrote on Jul 5^th, 2007 at 8:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2007 at 3:33pm:

Marriage is more of a social contract than a legal one. That's the idea behind a wedding. You gather all your friends and realtives together and make a promise in front of them.

Well if its a social contract whats with bringing the law into it and the relgious sanctityof a church-?

Let it be social then..I think marriage or a promise between 2 pple is wonderful, but once we bring the law into it that becomes a whole different game..The couple falls out of love..resentment sets in and next thing you know you are tied to someone you depsise at worst and tolerate at best. Kids of that union are subject to a life of unhappiness and dysfunction.

A lot of pple stay married because of the shame of failure thru divorce..to save face its ludicrous.

Life is too short.

When I marry, it will be for love and my vows will centre around 'until we fall out of love'.............and it wont be legally binding .

The amount of truly happy unions we could count on one hand and the unhappy ones outweigh them quite heavily. A lot of miserable pple cheating on each other and living a lie.

humans are fickle, legality encourages people to work at their marriages in hard parts and often poeple come out betetr and happier.

life is not short.

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Reply #13 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 9:26pm

Freediver, as far as I am aware it was in Aussie, I could be wrong.

oceans, I put that posting in to show that marriage is somewhat different than a social contract.
It is a very official document. A marriage document can be proof for all sorts of things.

The possibilities you outlined are why marriage for me the 2nd time is so much harder than the 1st.
A guy at work agreed with me too. hes's been married twice.

If your marriage is not legally binding it is not a marriage.

I look at my 1st marriage as being a 14 year success, or a successful 23 year relationship.
If it was a failure, what/when would it have been a success?
What is your pass mark ?

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Reply #14 - Jul 5^th, 2007 at 10:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2007 at 9:26pm:

Freediver, as far as I am aware it was in Aussie, I could be wrong.

oceans, I put that posting in to show that marriage is somewhat different than a social contract.
It is a very official document. A marriage document can be proof for all sorts of things.

The possibilities you outlined are why marriage for me the 2nd time is so much harder than the 1st.
A guy at work agreed with me too. hes's been married twice.

If your marriage is not legally binding it is not a marriage.

I look at my 1st marriage as being a 14 year success, or a successful 23 year relationship.
If it was a failure, what/when would it have been a success?
What is your pass mark ?

my pass mark is that the couple involved do not expect their mate to conform to or oppress theyre true natures,loves and beliefs to conform to the will of the other. But this rarely happens. We fall in love with someone and the minute we have thenm its presto chango.

This is dishonest and deceitful and totally unfair to the partner who thought he/she was being loved for themselves, the living a lie starts right here.

Marriage Im afraid is about oppressing ones true self to conform to or please your partner..to say this is not true is living to an non existamt ideal or we/you are not basing your expectataions in reality.

We show the best of ourselves until the 'CONTRACT' is signed and then out come the claws.

I shudder at the deceit and ill intent inherent in these pple.

The only way we can escape this is to leave out the legal bit. Because the contract is what does the damage..'AHA I have you now..you will fall into line or suffer the consequences and this could mean quite a hefty settlement to a wife/ husband who has not contributed.,or snatching away the kids..the worst kind of betrayal.

"The moment we got married he/she changed".how many times have we heard that?

Motives for marriage are rarely revealed until after. Legal contractual agreenments in marriage take away from the spirit of what marriage is supposed to be about, love and lifelong caring with ones soulmate.

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