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Reply #60 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 8:44pm
 
Do you know whether it is a problem? ie, how many of the abortions are a matter of convenience?

Also, how would you fit this into the population debate? Do you think population needs to be controlled, and if so, are there any better ways to control population?
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Reply #61 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:16pm
 
I don't have statistics. But there are an enormous number of abortions performed every year in both the US and Australia- I have seen the stats on that.  They cannot all be out of dire necessity. Child birth is not that dangerous.

I have talked about the abortion issue with a woman doctor in a women's clinic where abortions are performed  (I was having an IUD fitted) who was upset about women who returned for their fourth and fifth abortions, using abortion as a means of contraception.

I don't see a need to limit population growth in Australia. Infact I think there is a need to increase the rate of growth in order to compensate for our aging population.  AIDS is playing a strong role in reducing population of breeding age in "developing countries" such as Africa. I don't know that it needs any help from abortions.  I deplore "partial birth" abortions such as practiced I am told in China, as i think do most pro -abortion folk.

In "Western" countries at any rate the solution to not wanting to contribute to a growing population there is surely a more civilised path than to kill unborn children- for instance, using contraception or abstaining.
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Reply #62 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:37pm
 
cautious connie wrote on Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:16pm:
I don't have statistics. But there are an enormous number of abortions performed every year in both the US and Australia- I have seen the stats on that.  They cannot all be out of dire necessity. Child birth is not that dangerous.

I have talked about the abortion issue with a woman doctor in a women's clinic where abortions are performed  (I was having an IUD fitted) who was upset about women who returned for their fourth and fifth abortions, using abortion as a means of contraception.

I don't see a need to limit population growth in Australia. Infact I think there is a need to increase the rate of growth in order to compensate for our aging population.  AIDS is playing a strong role in reducing population of breeding age in "developing countries" such as Africa. I don't know that it needs any help from abortions.  I deplore "partial birth" abortions such as practiced I am told in China, as i think do most pro -abortion folk.

In "Western" countries at any rate the solution to not wanting to contribute to a growing population there is surely a more civilised path than to kill unborn children- for instance, using contraception or abstaining.


The using abortion as a means of contraception is a subjective issue. How does anyone who works on a clinic know this?

I doubt a woman is going to fill out a survey to state I am having another abortion because I forgot to take the pill. some women cant take the pill, medical or cultural reasons etc..some women use unreliable contraception..these women may have unreasonable and coercive partners ect.

Some women are raped within theyre own marriages..My point is connie..this is not a forum to showcase your pro life veiws and impose your moral values onto pple who may not neccessarily appreciate the gulit trip you are trying to impose.

If you are so worried about it..you can find an abortion clinic somewhere and throw blood and offal and spit onto the women who have to attend these places to have these unhappy procedures performed..


You dont know it all..a couple of articles on the net or whatever does not a professional make.

This is issue is far deeper than you connie and I for one would never try to take away a womans basic right to choose or lose control over what happens to her body. Her baby, her choice. The mother is the babys voice for heavens sake, wether she is fit or unfit to be that voice , who knows but its just the way it is.


maybe you could become an educator to young womenand try to make a few changes if you are so concerned about it..



I see you have no children..so its all ahead of you ..this will be interesting.
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Reply #63 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:41pm
 
'' The childs voice'' = very annoying. Grin
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Reply #64 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:46pm
 
i wont talk about this anymore it makes me far to sad.
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Reply #65 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 10:10pm
 
me too pender
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Reply #66 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 10:24pm
 
cautious connie wrote on Jun 24th, 2007 at 8:41pm:
I am agnostic. Never been anything else. I am nto tryign to tell other women what to do. I am trying to discuss what we as a society can do to overcome what I see as a problem and injustice- convenience abortions.


Education is the only option unless you plan to have forced sterilization. Which is probably not a bad idea, hell, you need to sit a test to drive a car to instil a semblance of responsibility.
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Reply #67 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 6:24am
 
I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty or bad, just to discuss an issue that matters to me but i will not do so any longer if you wish.
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Reply #68 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 8:30am
 
you post well connie and have bought up a good topic.
Go ahead with whatever you want.
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Reply #69 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:35am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25th, 2007 at 8:30am:
you post well connie and have bought up a good topic.
Go ahead with whatever you want.



yes she has sprint I agree and a very important topic.

I would maybe put this scenario forward..I watched a movie yrs ago called "Sophies Choice" played by Meryl Streep..the german army made her choose between her 2 children which one would live and which would die. She had to make a choice right there on the spot. It was heartwrenching to watch and I thought 'how could I ever make that choice between my kids'? I would just want to go with them.
I imagine most women who go thru abortion have such a connection to their unborn and I dont believe they just irrisponsibly use it as contraception, I just dont..except maybe the very young., and in the case of the very young it comes down to eduacation.






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Reply #70 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:35am
 
this is not a forum to showcase your pro life veiws and impose your moral values onto pple who may not neccessarily appreciate the gulit trip you are trying to impose

I wouldn't go that far

If you are so worried about it..you can find an abortion clinic somewhere and throw blood and offal and spit onto the women who have to attend these places to have these unhappy procedures performed.

I think it would be better if she vented on an online forum.

Parents are always given the responsibility for speaking on behalf of their children. If this is assumed after the child is born, why should it change before hand? You have to justify taking this responsibility away from parents on an individual basis, not the other way round.
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Reply #71 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:38am
 
IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 24th, 2007 at 10:24pm:
cautious connie wrote on Jun 24th, 2007 at 8:41pm:
I am agnostic. Never been anything else. I am nto tryign to tell other women what to do. I am trying to discuss what we as a society can do to overcome what I see as a problem and injustice- convenience abortions.


Education is the only option unless you plan to have forced sterilization. Which is probably not a bad idea, hell, you need to sit a test to drive a car to instil a semblance of responsibility.



IQ, for once I agree with you.

Not forced sterilation though.
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Reply #72 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:39am
 
If you are so worried about it..you can find an abortion clinic somewhere and throw blood and offal and spit onto the women who have to attend these places to have these unhappy procedures performed.

this was not serious..I got a little heated is all.

But pro lifers do do this kind of thing and its disgusting.
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Reply #73 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:44am
 
Nearly every political issue involves some kind of guilt trip. What do you think the anti whaling mob are doing?
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Reply #74 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:51am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:44am:
Nearly every political issue involves some kind of guilt trip. What do you think the anti whaling mob are doing?



this is not a political issue.

Whales? come again? do whales have abortions?

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