It is very strange to say that a mother who wants to kill her child is its best advocate. Be reasonable. It is NOT only the mother's interests which should be represented. Perhaps a woman should have to apply to a court for an abortion and the decision be made by a judge when all those who have a stake in the decision and those who have related expert knowledge have been heard.

Or perhaps guidelines could be established under which an abortion is a reasonable outcome. Such as the two cases suggested above.

In my view there are abortions done for comparatively good and bad reasons. A bad reason in my view would be inconvenience. You can't kill someone because their presence is inconvenient, and I think that should include unborn children. Particularly if the child is a result of consensual sex and more particularly if so and no contraceptive has been used and yet was readily available.

You can think of reasons for abortion being a good decision. Can you think of any reasons for it being a bad one?

Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2007 at 9:20pm:



Pender and connie,

I do not advocate a case for or against abortion, I am merely saying we cannot force women/girls to have babies if they feel it(the unborn child) cannot be borne by them.The reasons are theyre own.Not my veiw just balancing out the debate a bit.

Noone likes abortion- a human life is precious, but we cannot force women to have babies. Too many lonely neglected children already living that noone wants.


Education in schools for young women to prevent unwanted preganacies is the best answer I think. Education is the best answer to most problems in society.

. However many women have abortions when they simply feel they are not financially or emotionally ready to look after a child, or the father tells them get rid of it. Those kind of abortions in my view are not fair to the child



if they are not emtionally ready to look after a child, they just arent, same rule applies. Things happen in life connie that sicken and disgust us..this is one many pple struggle with, including me, but the answer is still the same..it is a womans right to choose - it is her body and her life.

The child has no right in this world until it is born, just the way it is. These reasons may sound frivelous to you ie: not ready-not enough money etc. but every decision is made with the coping abilities of that family in mind. If a couple were to be forced to have a child against theyre wishes, it would be the child who suffers in the end, believe me- too many babies battered to within an inch of its life/dies because a family was just not ready for the tremendous burden an unwanted pregnanacy that place huge strains on families who cant cope mentally and financially.

The problems surrounding abortion have been going on for a long time.


I think you will find connie it is a very small number of women who go into abortion lightly. I dont think that a woman who has an abortion is a bad woman.

I would never presume to force my values onto another.

Sometimes things happen in life we cannot control..we have to learn to accept that and focus that energy perhaps  in saving the children already in hellish orphanages, the ones already here who need our help desperately. They are the result of women having babies against theyre better judgement in most cases.


And when it comes to the needless ending of lives, what about all the pple dying in Iraq right now, a huge number small children..a life is a life..living or unborn. And life is seldom fair.

cautious connie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2007 at 10:26am:

 and many adoptive families are no better than institutions.

In most situations a child better off with its natural parents..adoption..a  shortage of babies? There are thousands of little Indigenous babies who desperately need placing..suffering from the worst kind of human rights abuses.

maybe we should be working on these issues rather than foccussing on difficult issues such as this? We cant tell pple what to do with theyre own bodies..none of our business.And pple dont want to carry a life to term and then wonder for the rest of theyre lives about the baby they gave away..the heartbreak is too much,.

Save the babies that are already here and lobby for easier access to adoption for couples who are screened and deemed beyond reproach in their parenting abilities. These are the babies and children who need our help NOW and suffering. They are not 'what ifs' they are real!!

I think I cannot add much more than that connie.
Its the way I see it.


Education is the key to contraception and what to do when faced with these issues.

Its the only way
Education. Education. Eduaction.

Dont you agree connie? That education is the key to unwanted babaies and the avoidance of getting pregnant.

Please answer that question for me ????

You seem to be dodging the issues and questions I put forward.

think education certainly has a role to play. I think as an answer it is not enough. Certainly it is not enough reason to kill a child that the person who would otherwise have been its mother will be worried about its welfare if she places it with someone else. If so we could kill a child every time we had to take it to school or put it in childcare.


"everytime we put them in childcare??? " give me a break...thats not a rational statement.


This has now become a nonsensical arguement..I hope you find your peace with this issue OK?

I do agree that a woman should not be disapproved of or have to carry a social stigma for having made this decision. In our society women do have that right. I started the thread looking for a solution in which our social structure could better support both the child and the woman in the decision.

The decision in my view should not just be about the woman.