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Reply #30 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 4:48pm
 
The American people run the American government. They are happy to have jewish people in it because they realise that a man's religious affiliation does not predict his behaviour.

Look at the image in DT's signature. He sees a crazy Arab spurred on by Islamism. I see another crazy nationalist. Nationalists need something about their 'nation' to give it identity. It may be religion, but often isn't. Choosing religion as part of that identity merely means that religion was a convenient common identifier for nationalist agitators. It doesn't mean that religion caused it, just like being Aryan didn't cause the Germans to rise up behind Hitler.
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Reply #31 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 4:54pm
 
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The American people run the American government.


HA! Was the iraq war backed by the people? NO
Was it backed by Donald Rumsfeld and Israel? YES

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They are happy to have jewish people in it because they realise that a man's religious affiliation does not predict his behaviour.


And thats up to them; they can dig their own grave.

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Look at the image in DT's signature. He sees a crazy Arab spurred on by Islamism. I see another crazy nationalist.


So what.

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Choosing religion as part of that identity merely means that religion was a convenient common identifier for nationalist agitators.


And of the three major religions, None are compatible.

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It doesn't mean that religion caused it, just like being Aryan didn't cause the Germans to rise up behind Hitler.


Are jews and Europeans of the same race? NO.
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Reply #32 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:07pm
 
Do you like being known as the GOYIM?
Have you read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion?
Its a Good horror story.
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Reply #33 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:14pm
 
HA! Was the iraq war backed by the people? NO

You should look at the polls on that one. Obviously after it started they got a bit more concerned.

Are jews and Europeans of the same race? NO.

No, but neither race nor religion caused WWII. It was rampant nationalism. Nationalism is far worse than religion because it is not self limiting. It is an ideology without boundaries that can be bent to whatever short term goals a leader or agitator has, far easier than religion can.

Do you like being known as the GOYIM?

It doesn't bother me any more than someone calling me athiest.

Have you read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion?

I've read about them. They are generally regarded by competent historians as a hoax.

Its a Good horror story.

If you are going to make something up, you could do a lot better.
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Reply #34 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:34pm
 

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Obviously after it started they got a bit more concerned.


You know, you could be right there, Americans love a winner and hate a loser.
They are a strange type.

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No, but neither race nor religion caused WWII. It was rampant nationalism. Nationalism is far worse than religion because it is not self limiting. It is an ideology without boundaries that can be bent to whatever short term goals a leader or agitator has, far easier than religion can.


If placed in the wrong hands Freediver.

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It doesn't bother me any more than someone calling me athiest.


Fair enough, well, we are infidels arent we. so to hell with their term.

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Have you read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion?

I've read about them. They are generally regarded by competent historians as a hoax.

Its a Good horror story.

If you are going to make something up, you could do a lot better.
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Did i call it a horror story or a horrific fact freediver?
Think before you leap.
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Reply #35 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:47pm
 
If placed in the wrong hands Freediver.

That's part of the problem. Religions tend to end up with leaders who are not warmongers. Nationalists seem to inevitably end up with leaders who are.
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Reply #36 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 

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Religions tend to end up with leaders who are not warmongers. Nationalists seem to inevitably end up with leaders who are.


What about Islam?

In Australia, i hardly see it as being possible for a Nationalist government to become an agressor in the region with our small population. It would be suicidal.
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Reply #37 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 5:55pm
 
Most Islamic leaders are not warmongers. Bin Laden is not a leader. He is hiding up in the hills, hiding from Muslims just as much as from Bush. Saddam was not an Islamic leader. He was a dictator and did not claim any religious mandate to rule. He did however use nationalism to promote the wars he started. Most real Islamic leaders are trying to reign in calls to jihad.
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Reply #38 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 6:31pm
 
Whatever. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:22pm
 
freediver - most muslim leaders know and use correctly taqiya. Hilali does not.
What do you think of the numerous koran quotes ?
Israel is the only democracy left in the middle east. Israel is now being pushed into the sea. One of the "commands" in the koran has about been done.

Ausnat - as far as I see every religion is entirely compatible, bar one.

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Reply #40 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:25pm
 

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Israel is the only democracy left in the middle east. Israel is now being pushed into the sea. One of the "commands" in the koran has about been done.


Far from it sprint.

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Ausnat - as far as I see every religion is entirely compatible, bar one.


Bar a few.

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Reply #41 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:35pm
 
ausnat - I see no animosity between any other belief aside muslim.
            possibly the only incompatible other belief would be satanism and christianity/jews.

All the rest can live together perfectly well. we don't have to agree entirely, just be able to live together, be compatible.



you may be right, maybe israel is the only nonmuslm state left there ?
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Reply #42 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:40pm
 
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ausnat - I see no animosity between any other belief aside muslim.
            possibly the only incompatible other belief would be satanism and
christianity/jews.


What about hindu's? they do not assimilate.

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No i meant they are not being pushed to the sea.
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Reply #43 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:50pm
 
oh, I don't know much about hindus.
One at work is a musician, so he gets bonus points in my books . Smiley
(Listening to Aretha Franklin in front of an orchestra now .............)

the only nonmuslim religious spat happens between hindus and christrians in north india .
they believe in Jesus and other spirits?



Where else is israel to go ? they are cornered

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Reply #44 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:55pm
 

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Back to auszwich. Shocked Tongue

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