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May 10th, 2007 at 2:05am
 
Dear Oceans,

If a girl refuses to have sex with her boyfriend, even though they're in an exclusive relationship, would it be fair that the guy go off and cheated on her?
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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2007 at 10:39am
 
Speaking from a long term bitter experience, if she avoids physical contact for some time.
See a divorce lawyer.

Women use this as a weapon against us men.  If we lose our control, we lose big time.
They play the game well.

I would not recommend seeking solace in another womens arms till that relationship is "resolved."
Another woman would be avoiding the real situation and will worsen the situation.

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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2007 at 9:18pm
 
I'll throw my two cents worth in DT - there could be a few reasons.  

1.  She doesn't believe in sex before marriage.

2.  She is using sex as a bait because she wants more out of the relationship.

3.  She isn't physically attracted to you.

4.  She doesn't like sex.
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2007 at 11:27am
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on May 10th, 2007 at 2:05am:
Dear Oceans,

If a girl refuses to have sex with her boyfriend, even though they're in an exclusive relationship, would it be fair that the guy go off and cheated on her?



Donald ,

This question is subjective and depends on the circumstances within certain relationships I would imagine.


There would  be an issue that needs attention to be solved by both of you I would say.

Would it be fair if the guy went off and cheated on his girlfriend? Well only if the relationship has no value to the guy concerned-if his needs arent being met as part of an overall loving relationship, maybe its time he reassessed his wanting to be in the relationship.

Maybe the guy has unwittingly hurt his g/f-easily done as male and female are very different emotionally- she may feel she is undervalued for some reason and this can effect her loving feelings for her partner. If this is the case and she feel she is not is not being heard it will get worse and eventually may lead to a break up.That would be sad of course.

I think Donald communication is the key. There is very little that cant be solved by 2 pple sitting down and honestley letting theyre feelings be known to each other and working together to create a satisfactory outcome so both parties are happy with the outcome.

Females are always complaining that theyre men simply dont really listen and pay attention to problems within a relationship, they see this unwillingness to listen as sign that men dont care enough about them to work it out.And men hate to talk about problems on the other hand-so its a catch 22.


You didnt give much detail in your question, so I hope this helped a bit.

I wouldnt go and sleep with somone else unless youve already decided the relationship is over..
Because if she finds out issues of trust will remain for a very long time.






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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2007 at 1:54pm
 
Cheating could never be "fair."  Two wrongs do not make a right

The cheated upon person is unaware.  There is also the risk of spreading a STD to the unwitting person.

If person A cheats on person B "because" of something person B did, it is person As action.
"A" is saying they are not responsible for their own actions, it was "Bs" fault.
"A" is putting the responsibility on "Bs" shoulders . What nonsense, what a copout.

Whatever "B" did was up to them. Whatever "A" does is up to them.


We don't listen to "womens problems" cause they are never ending.  Be like waiting patiently for the river to stop flowing, all the while encouraging the snows upstream to melt quicker..
That's what your women friends are for .

We are happy to talk about issues in our relationships.
Generally women don't want to hear it as it is is questioning them. and asking for something for us.
Women don't want to hear everything, they just want the good bits.
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2007 at 2:40pm
 
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We don't listen to "womens problems" cause they are never ending.  Be like waiting patiently for the river to stop flowing, all the while encouraging the snows upstream to melt quicker.. 


That is so funny sprintcyclist.   Grin

I've always thought it was the other way around - it's the male who complains louder and longer and their disappointments are never ending.

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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2007 at 3:15pm
 
Well, I must admit there is a smidgen of truth in that.   Embarrassed

Just the other night I had a similar response from my next door neighbour for suggesting that her blokes knee injury was prob due to a lack of loving.  poor guy. hahahhaha
She was RIGHT onto me.


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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2007 at 1:19am
 
Okay... here's an example scenario:

The girl says to the guy... after weeks and weeks of dating, "I only want to have sex with 'someone I love,' and your not quite there yet, it takes time."

Now... in this situation... I think that the guy should be entitled to go off and cheat.  Tongue


Because I think sex is like a 'reward' for the hard earned efforts of the guy showering her with gifts... and I think refusal of sex is like a punch in the guys face, and will cause a failure in the relationship.


Nothing worse than going without sex.. knowing that you're in a relationship with someone. The girl is basically just on a power trip.


Like Billy Connelly once said... "Girls need to feel loved to have sex... but guys need sex to feel loved."

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and Donald, Billy Connolly was spot on.

maybe this girl sees you as having potential as a long term partner and is testing you, which is no good to you right now, of course ,as you need sex.Maybe you both see your coupling as having different outcomes.

She may be in it for the long haul, women can decide very early on if your 'right' or not, its instinctive.

A note to you, females dont subscribe to the veiw that if a guy spends money on her or not, neccessarly entiltes him to receive a payoff. It cause her to feel as though she is being paid for, and there is no loving intent behind this scenario.Its actually insulting to some women.

If a women is so devasteted by your sexiness and charm , a sexy ,wicked smile will do the trick and wont cost you a cent. It IS subjective as I said..

She is waiting for a depth of feeling to evolve as she obviously needs this to make her first 'encounter ' with you special and memorable. Trust her on this. It means she has a high regard for you and the resultant first sexual encounter wont be a disappointment, thats for sure, unless she is a virgin, in which case this would,nt be her fault.

Donald, you must like this girl for you to have spent money and time with her , but if Im wrong and you want a girl to be more in tune with your needs than her own, then you may have to find a girl who is more willing and who's standards are not as high. You are a  man you have needs ..find a girl more in tune with you ..

She will develop feelings for you that will result in intimacy, she knows this, but wants the time to be right.

Its depends on if YOU are willing to do the 'hard yards' and be patient. You know your limits.If after more time has lapsed and you have resolved nothing-she may be playing with you and you may need decide if you want to go on with it.


Good luck Donald, its a very frustrating situation and I hope it works out soon.

Cheers. Wink




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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2007 at 11:20am
 
Donald ,

I apolagise for accidentally deleting your post, but it has been preserved in my quote to you-

I will cut and paste it back seperately if you wish.Sorry..Im a cra--ppy moderator.
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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2007 at 11:24am
 
You hit modify instead of respond didn't you oceans? If you want I can make one of your other profiles the moderator instead. That way this won't happen and you will be just like any other member, but you will have to log out and log in under the other profile to do moderating stuff.
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2007 at 11:30am
 
that may work freediver, but as Im not online for another few days, Im at  net cafe at present, I would prefer to leave it to then--so next week ill contact you and we can make the change then? I would like to keep moderating this forum as this is an interest of mine.

Email you next week.
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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2007 at 12:37am
 
Donald, imho, by "seeing sex as a reward for the hard yards" the guy is putting the woman in complete control of the relationship.
prob, few good woman would be "warmed" by a man who sees things that way.


Last time I was looking for a woman in my life I did not "play by the reward" rules. 
The woman who expected men to shower them with gifts were unimpressed by me.
As i was by their obvious greed and shallowness.
Guess what, I didn't want another blood sucker in my life.
I am NOT ever going to "beg", "buy" or be in any way "manipulated" for loving.
Lovemaking for me is not a quid pro quo thing for me. it is entirely a mutual thing.
Those sort of women who were of that mindset would undoubtly find a man to put them on a pedistal, a bloke she would easily use.
Is that her "fault", or the fault of men that accept/encourage that thing.

Who cares, I don't accept it.
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2007 at 3:44pm
 
Doesn't everyone else pay?    I have to pay Julia Gillard for one.
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and Donald, Billy Connolly was spot on.

maybe this girl sees you as having potential as a long term partner and is testing you, which is no good to you right now, of course ,as you need sex.Maybe you both see your coupling as having different outcomes.

She may be in it for the long haul, women can decide very early on if your 'right' or not, its instinctive.

A note to you, females dont subscribe to the veiw that if a guy spends money on her or not, neccessarly entiltes him to receive a payoff. It cause her to feel as though she is being paid for, and there is no loving intent behind this scenario.Its actually insulting to some women.

If a women is so devasteted by your sexiness and charm , a sexy ,wicked smile will do the trick and wont cost you a cent. It IS subjective as I said..

She is waiting for a depth of feeling to evolve as she obviously needs this to make her first 'encounter ' with you special and memorable. Trust her on this. It means she has a high regard for you and the resultant first sexual encounter wont be a disappointment, thats for sure, unless she is a virgin, in which case this would,nt be her fault.

Donald, you must like this girl for you to have spent money and time with her , but if Im wrong and you want a girl to be more in tune with your needs than her own, then you may have to find a girl who is more willing and who's standards are not as high. You are a  man you have needs ..find a girl more in tune with you ..

She will develop feelings for you that will result in intimacy, she knows this, but wants the time to be right.

Its depends on if YOU are willing to do the 'hard yards' and be patient. You know your limits.If after more time has lapsed and you have resolved nothing-she may be playing with you and you may need decide if you want to go on with it.


Good luck Donald, its a very frustrating situation and I hope it works out soon.

Cheers. Wink


What makes you think it's me I'm talking about?  Tongue


Nah.. yeah.. it's me.

The problem is... I have about two other girls that I'm very sure are after me, and I'm very sure they would have a quick fling with me if I snapped my fingers.

But... there's the moral dilemma to think about.

But man... I'm sooo tempted to go off and cheat though. This girl is heavily frustrating to be with. And I'm really starting to hate these kind of girls who 'only do it for love.'  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - May 15th, 2007 at 9:10pm
 
Well done Donald for being a good guy.
When my marriage was grinding to a long drawn out loveless sexless end I was tempted a few times to cheat. But I never did and am very glad I didn't.
Learnt later that if a 3rd party is involved, the ending of a relationship is normally nastier.
Jealousy etc etc, the 3rd party is often there stirring the pot, consciously or not.
There is more than enough pain going around during that stage without anything to excasibate it.

IMHO, no loving means there is no relationship.  Ask her, or go to counselling. Either moves are honest and seeking resolution (resolution maybe being woken by her tongue !)
Cheating is just going to be detrimental in every way.
Those that will cheat with you will cheat against you.

All the best mate.
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