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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #540 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

The PM is the real authority.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #541 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

The PM is the real authority.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

I'm sorry, I missed that - what section of The Australian Constitution says that the PM is the real authority?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #542 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

The PM is the real authority.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

I'm sorry, I missed that - what section of The Australian Constitution says that the PM is the real authority?

The PM is elected by the party and by default falls into the head of government through being the leader of the majority in Parliament... nothing more. He/She remains the head of the party - not of the people and is by no standard the final arbiter of anything.

A PEP, on the other hand, is the will of the people and thus holds powers as determined by the Constitution, which will need some tweaking to determine exactly what those powers are.... and even then there will be some amendments..

"I'll take the fifth!"

The Second Amendment guarantees me the right to arms, and I have two!.. etc...

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #543 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

The PM is the real authority.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

I'm sorry, I missed that - what section of The Australian Constitution says that the PM is the real authority?

No problem. Here it is again.

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #544 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

The PM is the real authority.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

I'm sorry, I missed that - what section of The Australian Constitution says that the PM is the real authority?

No problem. Here it is again.

The constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures.

I'm after the answer to my question.

You seem to be avoiding it.

Which part of The Australian Constitution says that the PM is the real authority?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #545 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:32pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

The PM is elected by the party and by default falls into the head of government through being the leader of the majority in Parliament... nothing more. He/She remains the head of the party - not of the people and is by no standard the final arbiter of anything.

For those playing at home, this is the correct answer.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #546 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:33pm Quote: I'm after the answer to my question. Yeah good luck with that. Did I mention that the constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145818 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #547 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Quote: I'm after the answer to my question. Yeah good luck with that. I never expected one. You knew you were beaten from the beginning.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #548 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:50am That would be true if my argument was that the constitution is an idiot's guide to power structures that will answer all your questions.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145818 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #549 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:54am freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:50am: That would be true if my argument was that the constitution is an idiot's guide to power structures that will answer all your questions. Your argument was, "the PM is the real authority", and that's quite clearly incorrect.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #550 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:55am Because the constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures?
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #551 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:59am

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

Because the constitution is not an idiot's guide to power structures?

You missed this post:

"The PM is elected by the party and by default falls into the head of government through being the leader of the majority in Parliament... nothing more. He/She remains the head of the party - not of the people and is by no standard the final arbiter of anything."

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #552 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:02am

You are confused. In a democracy 'the majority' is the ultimate arbiter. This is not the same as saying the PM is not the real authority. You have confused an explanation for how he obtains that authority with a rejection of that authority.

This is the sort of empty headed nonsense that makes people discard a functioning system with several checks and balances to power in favour of a far less robust one, because they get hung up on the definition of head of state.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145818 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #553 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:02am freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:02am: In a democracy 'the majority' is the ultimate arbiter. This is not the same as saying the PM is not the real authority. You have confused an explanation for how he obtains that authority with a rejection of that authority. You were wrong. Be a man, and move on.
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Spike4169 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #554 - Aug 3^rd, 2017 at 10:04pm Yes lets move toward a Republic whilst its cheaper to do it now Sure we could have 5 votes in the future all costing more each time. We owe nothing to England now - they needlessly sacrificed many off our troops for no reason, we are big boys, its time to take the training wheels off.
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