Australian Politics Forum - Should Australia become a republic?

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #525 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:12am Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11am: IMO, it's better that we work within the system that we have now. An overhaul of our political system would most definitely result in the removal of more rights. Nonsense. All that would be removed is the Monarch.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #526 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:26am President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:06pm: cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:17am: only if we can ban gay stalkers........... yes greggy can get on your nerves sometimes... he hasnt brought gays or bobby into this yet.. but give him time..
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #527 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:27am
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #529 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:59am

Australia is not country, Australia is a British colony
To become a country Australia has to have own head of state, either monarch or president.
A territory that has a foreign head of state is either occupied by foreign power or is a colony.

Australia is not democratic
Australia has undemocratically elected head of state who has constitutional right to sack democratically elected prime minister (Gough Whitlam in 1974).

By choosing own head of state Australia will become a country.
By having democratically elected head of state Australia will become a democratic country.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #530 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:16am

I think Australia should become a pub, then we'd all be happy!

Slim Dusty – Duncan Lyrics

I love to have a beer with Duncan
I love to have a beer with Dunc.
We drink in moderation
And we never ever ever get rollin' drunk
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Duncan
'Cause Duncan's me mate, yeah

I love to have a beer with Colin
I love to have a beer with Col.
We drink in moderation
And it doesn't really matter if he brings his doll
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Colin
'Cause Colin's me mate, mm-mm-mm

I love to have a beer with Kevin
Oh I love to have a beer with Kev.
We drink in moderation
And he drives me home in his big old Chev.
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Kevin
'Cause Kevin's me mate

I love to have a beer with Patrick
I love to have a beer with Pat
We drink in moderation
And it wouldn't really matter if the beer was flat
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Patrick
'Cause Patrick's me mate - Change key

I love to have a beer with Robert
I love to have a beer with Bob
We drink in moderation
Just one more and back on the job
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Robert
'Cause Robert's me mate

I love to have a beer with Duncan
Oh I love to have a beer with Dunc.
We drink in moderation
And we never ever ever get rollin' drunk
We drink at the Town and Country
Where the atmosphere is great
I love to have a beer with Duncan
'Cause Duncan's me mate

Yeah that's the way we can solve the whole world's problems, have a drink with Dunc!

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #531 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:12am:

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11am:

IMO, it's better that we work within the system that we have now.

An overhaul of our political system would most definitely result in the removal of more rights.

Nonsense.

All that would be removed is the Monarch.

The monarchy and all that goes with it!

If you don't realize that we'd lose more rights you've either got rocks in your head or you just crawled out from under one.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #532 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:12am:

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11am:

IMO, it's better that we work within the system that we have now.

An overhaul of our political system would most definitely result in the removal of more rights.

Nonsense.

All that would be removed is the Monarch.

The monarchy and all that goes with it!

If you don't realize that we'd lose more rights you've either got rocks in your head or you just crawled out from under one.

The floor is all yours.

Explain what rights we would lose.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #533 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

It is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

Australians don't have the opportunity to become Head of State.

That's well and truly broken.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. I would say that statement is sophistry. I am in favour of a Republic when it becomes necessary, not merely to assuage some identity crisis in one part of the community.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken

You are right it isn't.

You are 100% wrong.

We have a HOS who is born into power, and they live on the other side of the world.

Moreover, no Australian can attain the highest office in the land.

It's broken, and it needs to be fixed.

We'll see it in our lifetime, thankfully.

We have a system that basically works wonderfully well, I find the fact that we are a bit different from the standard boring model to be a good thing.

I don't have a problem with a figurehead of state that has no impact and is part of a great 1,000 year tradition.

While I am in no way a royalist I am also not in favour of stupidity and spending a truck load of money to get nothing but risk is stupid.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #534 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:06pm

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:12am:

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11am:

IMO, it's better that we work within the system that we have now.

An overhaul of our political system would most definitely result in the removal of more rights.

Nonsense.

All that would be removed is the Monarch.

The monarchy and all that goes with it!

If you don't realize that we'd lose more rights you've either got rocks in your head or you just crawled out from under one.

We would lose the right to have someone in another country, half way around the world, be born into the position of our Head of State.

We would also lose the right to finance their visits to Australia.

We'd also lose the right to finance visits by other members of their family.

I've started the ball rolling - I've given you three.

So, the floor is yours - what other rights will we lose?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #535 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:14pm Amadd Have you lost the right to speak?
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #536 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Something needs to be done to wrest power from the hands of those in the parties and return it to the people.. a popularly elected president by any name would be a start, and would relieve us of the likes of Tony, Julia, Kevin, Wee Johnnie, The Undertaker and so forth.. all strutting the stage without a single solid clue amongst them.

Asian Century be damned - nothing but a ruin for most of us to the benefit of the same old cronies, and treason to the people of this country.

... the above forthright comment written and spoken by President-in-waiting Grappler I, on the campaign trail from the inside of his personal trailer... stand by for future fireside chats from Grappler I....

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #537 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:32pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

It is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

Australians don't have the opportunity to become Head of State.

That's well and truly broken.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. I would say that statement is sophistry. I am in favour of a Republic when it becomes necessary, not merely to assuage some identity crisis in one part of the community.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken

You are right it isn't.

You are 100% wrong.

We have a HOS who is born into power, and they live on the other side of the world.

Moreover, no Australian can attain the highest office in the land.

It's broken, and it needs to be fixed.

We'll see it in our lifetime, thankfully.

We have a system that basically works wonderfully well, I find the fact that we are a bit different from the standard boring model to be a good thing.

I don't have a problem with a figurehead of state that has no impact and is part of a great 1,000 year tradition.

While I am in no way a royalist I am also not in favour of stupidity and spending a truck load of money to get nothing but risk is stupid.

The monarchy is removed, and the GG is called President.

Can you explain the risk?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #538 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

As soon as someone comes up with a better system I will be all for it. Until then, call me a monarchist.

Our current system is just another layer of separation of power. In this sense, having the monarch on the other side of the world with bigger interests than our own political parties is a good thing. Whining about our head of state just misses the point. The PM is the real authority. The alternatives I have seen destroy this separation of power and turn the HOS into an old boys club for the major parties.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #539 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:47pm: The PM is the real authority. Which part of The Australian Constitution says that? http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...
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