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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #510 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

.... if we should be able to chose who comes to Australia, and the manner in which they come, then we should by right choose our own head of state right?

Beautifully put.

Actually I find it embarrassing to produce a statement that was used to propagate a Prime ministers lie in this manner. It was a statement that we should all be ashamed of.

John Howard used this statement to infer that the type of people who throw their children overboard are not the type of people we want in Australia.

The problem is that when he made the statement he was fully aware that children were not thrown overboard, it was a lie for political benefit in an election campaign.

It was a simple vote catcher with no substance and morally lacking.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #511 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 1:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

So you support a government appointment model and not an election.

We've never elected a Monarch or Governor General in the past.

So you support the full claytons model of no real change at all.

Removing the Monarch is a real change.

Allowing an Australian, who lives here, to become the Head of State is a real change.

Putting an end to people being born into power is a real change.

And effectively it is all cosmetic and makes no difference to anyone except that it would cost a truck full of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

Nonsense.

At the very least, it will make a big difference to all those Australians who will now be able to strive to achieve the top job in Australia.

Moreover, the cost will be minimal.

The system is broken, and it needs to be fixed.

We'll see it in our lifetime.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32007 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #512 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 2:56pm Yes & P J Keating will get to realise his BANANA REPUBLIC.
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Resolute Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 730	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #513 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 3:33pm Labor in Office, and a Republic.......all this country needs to go down the crapper!
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60252 Here Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #514 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 3:49pm Resolute wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 3:33pm: Labor in Office, and a Republic.......all this country needs to go down the crapper! Tony seems to be proof that the Liberals can do it without a republic ?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #515 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 4:06pm Resolute wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 3:33pm: ... a Republic.......all this country needs to go down the crapper! How would being a republic contribute to this country going down the crapper?
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #516 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

It is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

Australians don't have the opportunity to become Head of State.

That's well and truly broken.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. I would say that statement is sophistry. I am in favour of a Republic when it becomes necessary, not merely to assuage some identity crisis in one part of the community.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #517 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:51pm issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm: I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world. That's a compound fracture. Accept it.
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #518 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:06pm cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:17am: only if we can ban gay stalkers........... yes greggy can get on your nerves sometimes...
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #519 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

That's a compound fracture.

Accept it.

yes... they are on the other side of the world and don't interfere..

Australia ticks along nicely..

why would you put in a head of state that would sit on their lazy ass for every three years and then retire on a huge pension!!

so yet another parasite sucking on the public purse with a $500,000 upgrade to their office... a couple of staff... free first class airfares etc etc etc..

why would Australia need another leach sucking it dry?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #520 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:13pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

That's a compound fracture.

Accept it.

yes... they are on the other side of the world and don't interfere..

Australia ticks along nicely..

why would you put in a head of state that would sit on their lazy ass for every three years and then retire on a huge pension!!

so yet another parasite sucking on the public purse with a $500,000 upgrade to their office... a couple of staff... free first class airfares etc etc etc..

why would Australia need another leach sucking it dry?

We already do.

Are you familiar with the Governor General?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #521 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

That's a compound fracture.

Accept it.

Absolute rot. You are getting hysterical about republicanism. The traditions that provide us with English Common Law are the traditions that will give us a Republic without civil strife.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #522 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

It is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

Australians don't have the opportunity to become Head of State.

That's well and truly broken.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. I would say that statement is sophistry. I am in favour of a Republic when it becomes necessary, not merely to assuage some identity crisis in one part of the community.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken

You are right it isn't.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #523 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

It is broken.

Our Head of State is born into the position, and they live on the other side of the world.

Australians don't have the opportunity to become Head of State.

That's well and truly broken.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken. I would say that statement is sophistry. I am in favour of a Republic when it becomes necessary, not merely to assuage some identity crisis in one part of the community.

I cannot accept that Australia's political system is broken

You are right it isn't.

You are 100% wrong.

We have a HOS who is born into power, and they live on the other side of the world.

Moreover, no Australian can attain the highest office in the land.

It's broken, and it needs to be fixed.

We'll see it in our lifetime, thankfully.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #524 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11am IMO, it's better that we work within the system that we have now. An overhaul of our political system would most definitely result in the removal of more rights.
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