Australian Politics Forum - Should Australia become a republic?

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #495 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:22pm Resolute wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:16pm: http://s25.postimg.org/phuypd5kv/image.jpg Could the rest of the world take us any less seriously? Yes it could! Does the rest of the world take the USA seriously? Or Germany, Austria, China, Singapore, Switzerland, etc? All republics.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #496 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

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Reply #497 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

Why have an election if you already know who is going to win ?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #498 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

Why have an election if you already know who is going to win ?

What are you talking about?

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Reply #499 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

Why have an election if you already know who is going to win ?

What are you talking about?

I thought that you provided a list of people you deem to be suitable presidents ?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #500 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

Really? Would it really cost billions to change to a republic?

I dont think there will be a fundamental shift on political system if we become a republic. Most likely initially, the President would be taking on the role of governor general now. But instead of been appointed by the Queen on advice of the Prime minister, we get to elect him/her directly. And perhaps, over time, when this position becomes more political (e.g. labour / liberal president), they will have more power through the actions of their own parties.

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Reply #501 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

Why have an election if you already know who is going to win ?

What are you talking about?

I thought that you provided a list of people you deem to be suitable presidents ?

Why the comment about knowing the results of an election? Undecided

I was showing you the sort of people who have been chosen as Governors General.

When we become a republic we will have people just like them as President.

It won't be Abbot, or Gillard, or Rudd et al.

It will just be a name change from Governor General to President, and the Monarch will be removed.

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Reply #502 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

Really? Would it really cost billions to change to a republic?

I dont think there will be a fundamental shift on political system if we become a republic. Most likely initially, the President would be taking on the role of governor general now. But instead of been appointed by the Queen on advice of the Prime minister, we get to elect him/her directly. And perhaps, over time, when this position becomes more political (e.g. labour / liberal president), they will have more power through the actions of their own parties.

Our current governments or either persuasion could not provide shoe laces for under a 100 Million.

Most likely initially, the President would be taking on the role of governor general now.

We already have one of them and what is the point of change if you are not changing anything?

we get to elect him/her directly.

Neither the politicians or the republicans support a direct election model at this time.

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Reply #503 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

One thing I would want specified in the McGarvie Model is the head of state would have to be born in Australia, not merely a citizen.

Yeah, I'd probably support that too.

It's not a major issue for me, but it kinda makes sense.

Rudd and Howard could be President but Gillard and Abbott couldn't.

I wouldn't really want any of them as President.

The position needs to be above partisan politics.

And that is just one of the minor problems.

How so?

Peter Cosgrove. Quentin Bryce. Michael Jeffery. Peter Hollingworth. et al.

Why have an election if you already know who is going to win ?

What are you talking about?

I thought that you provided a list of people you deem to be suitable presidents ?

Why the comment about knowing the results of an election? Undecided

I was showing you the sort of people who have been chosen as Governors General.

When we become a republic we will have people just like them as President.

It won't be Abbot, or Gillard, or Rudd et al.

It will just be a name change from Governor General to President, and the Monarch will be removed.

So you support a government appointment model and not an election.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #504 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:47pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: So you support a government appointment model and not an election. We've never elected a Monarch or Governor General in the past.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60252 Here Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #505 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:47pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: So you support a government appointment model and not an election. We've never elected a Monarch or Governor General in the past. So you support the full claytons model of no real change at all.
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Reply #506 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I think its time Australia should have its own head of state elected, and not by birth right. Just because something is only symbolic and dont do anything, it does not mean that it should not be changed.

I see no need to spend billions on a risky proposition that if we are lucky wont actually do anything, to me this is Stupid with a capital "S"

If it isn't broken there is no need to fix it.

Really? Would it really cost billions to change to a republic?

I dont think there will be a fundamental shift on political system if we become a republic. Most likely initially, the President would be taking on the role of governor general now. But instead of been appointed by the Queen on advice of the Prime minister, we get to elect him/her directly. And perhaps, over time, when this position becomes more political (e.g. labour / liberal president), they will have more power through the actions of their own parties.

Our current governments or either persuasion could not provide shoe laces for under a 100 Million.

Most likely initially, the President would be taking on the role of governor general now.

We already have one of them and what is the point of change if you are not changing anything?

we get to elect him/her directly.

Neither the politicians or the republicans support a direct election model at this time.

The point is that so we get to choose based on individual merit rather than someone who is unrelated to Australia, and someone who is there because of their birthright. Which is the whole point of living in a democracy. Besides.... if we should be able to chose who comes to Australia, and the manner in which they come, then we should by right choose our own head of state right? Wink

As to the model of presidency. It could well be that the Prime Minister would assume the role of the president. Who knows, but we are no where at that stage yet.

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Reply #507 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

So you support a government appointment model and not an election.

We've never elected a Monarch or Governor General in the past.

So you support the full claytons model of no real change at all.

Removing the Monarch is a real change.

Allowing an Australian, who lives here, to become the Head of State is a real change.

Putting an end to people being born into power is a real change.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145822 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #508 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:57pm tickleandrose wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:54pm: .... if we should be able to chose who comes to Australia, and the manner in which they come, then we should by right choose our own head of state right? Beautifully put.
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Reply #509 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

So you support a government appointment model and not an election.

We've never elected a Monarch or Governor General in the past.

So you support the full claytons model of no real change at all.

Removing the Monarch is a real change.

Allowing an Australian, who lives here, to become the Head of State is a real change.

Putting an end to people being born into power is a real change.

And effectively it is all cosmetic and makes no difference to anyone except that it would cost a truck full of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

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