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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #300 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 7:59pm

Hello Grendel. Well you certainly gave us a mouthful of interesting material. You don't sound like a Republican at all.
As I have said before, I have not heard 10 good reasons yet to change a system (monarchy) that has served us very well for a very long time in this Country.
I will say again, If IT Ain't Broke, Don't Try to Fix IT, to do so will certainly stuff up a good system.
I don't know what all the hulla bulloo is about, we have a great Country here, but some people are never satisfied. The grass always seems greener on the other side.
For those of you who are not satisfied with what we have here in Australia, stop your complaining, get a life, and help the rest of us to maintain a great way of life in a great country or else, somewhere down the track of time, we may end up like Zimbawbe and how would you like that.
I am an Ex Serviceman who has served this Country and I am very proud and happy with our Flag and our system of Government, just the way it is now. Leave it alone.

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Reply #301 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:03pm

Some of the proposals would not necessarily stuff it up, just make it a hell of a lot more complicated. They would replace the Queen with a committee of respected citizens chosen in a sufficiently arbitrary manner. It would satisfy the people who object to the foreigner in the mix and technically make it no longer a monarchy, without really changing how it works.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #302 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:13pm

Hello frediver, untill I have seen some of these so called proposals, I am not prepared to trust these people who are desirous of changing how our system works.
Who are going to pick this comittee of great citizens and who will they be.
I currently know of no one I would trust with running this Country as a Republic.
It is easy to sit back now and say that if we become a Republic things will not be changed.
There is no way I can be led into believing that crap.
Leave it alone.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #303 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:23pm

nasho23 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:13pm:

Hello frediver, untill I have seen some of these so called proposals, I am not prepared to trust these people who are desirous of changing how our system works.
Who are going to pick this comittee of great citizens and who will they be.
I currently know of no one I would trust with running this Country as a Republic.
It is easy to sit back now and say that if we become a Republic things will not be changed.
There is no way I can be led into believing that crap.
Leave it alone.

Who are going to pick this comittee of great citizens and who will they be.

The committee to select the Head of State could be comprised of the Companions of the Order of Australia (the highest award given to those Australians for outstanding achievement to Australia or humanity at large).

I currently know of no one I would trust with running this Country as a Republic.
How about an eminent Australian (an AC) as chosen by a committee of eminent Australians (all ACs)?

It is easy to sit back now and say that if we become a Republic things will not be changed.

What will change is an eminent Australian will be our HOS - a role model for his/her fellow Australians and that an Australian can aspire to be Head of State.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #304 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:24pm freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 8:03pm: It would satisfy the people who object to the foreigner in the mix and technically make it no longer a monarchy, without really changing how it works. It would actually make it no longer a monarchy.
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Reply #305 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 9:43pm

nasho23 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 7:59pm:

I am an Ex Serviceman who has served this Country and I am very proud and happy with our Flag and our system of Government, just the way it is now. Leave it alone.

Thank you for your service.

However, I don't see the point of raising it in regards to how you feel the country should be run. It's like saying, "I'm a cotton farmer, and I like the way the state education system is run." What does being a cotton farmer have to do with the issue at hand?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #306 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 9:46pm It would actually make it no longer a monarchy. So long as you didn't call the chosen few your royal highness. Other than in name, it's the same thing, except that there is far higher potential for political motivation in choosing the few.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41058 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #307 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 11:15pm easel - I think being a cotton farmer is quite different to be someone who has put themselves at risk for our freedom. Thank you nasho23. Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate your efforts and am in your debt.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #308 - Sep 4^th, 2008 at 11:28pm How does putting your life at risk give your opinion greater value in a political arena? If nasho was talking about something military I would give his opinion all the respect in the world.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #309 - Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:09am

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 9:46pm:

It would actually make it no longer a monarchy.

So long as you didn't call the chosen few your royal highness. Other than in name, it's the same thing, except that there is far higher potential for political motivation in choosing the few.

same thing - A President and a monarch are both heads of state so, yes the role is the same.

political motivation - Hence a council of electors.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #310 - Sep 5^th, 2008 at 7:04am Wonder why Bob Ellis missed Switzerland, Finland, Iceland, France and Ireland from his list of ‘good’ republics? Nor does he mention the Monarch who failed Australia.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #311 - Sep 5^th, 2008 at 9:56am political motivation - Hence a council of electors. So committeees solve everything, including the influence of political motivations?
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #312 - Sep 5^th, 2008 at 10:33am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 9:56am:

political motivation - Hence a council of electors.

So committeees solve everything, including the influence of political motivations?

Does any one thing solve everything?

I would put my faith in a council of electors to propose a Head of State when those electors are the most senior of eminent Australians, whose integrity throughout their lives is unquestioned and whose enormous contributions to Australian society is self-evident and recognised.

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #313 - Sep 9^th, 2008 at 7:05am

For those wondering what kind of Australian would make as good or better head of state than the matriarch of a foreign family, someone who has contributed to the well being of Australians, who would be eminently worthy of the status of Head of State and role model for all Australians… Consider the likes of Professor Graeme Clark (AC).

Remember this old Telstra advert… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZV85T0R6ts

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Should Australia become a republic? Reply #314 - Sep 23^rd, 2008 at 10:12am Would you want someone like Tim Flannery in the role? It's not the chance of getting someone appropriate in the role we need to consider, rather it is the risk of getting someone inappropriate.
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