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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #255 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 4:33pm
 
I don't care if we become a Republic or not! Not in the short term anyway. We have a pretty good working system now, that could use improving for sure, but none of the suggestions that the government or respective oppositions have put forward suggest a better or even equal system.

And sorry I need a better excuse than the old BOOHOO I don't wanna belong to England anymore. The 'we're not part of England' is just a sook argument and needs to grow up.

Right or wrong, the predominant linage, and historical continuity of the people and culture of this country is British. Resent it if you need to, but denying it is simply childish. It's the sort of argument that we used as teenagers. Extensive reading of history helped me realize the obvious. Australia and Australians did not errupt into existance with no ties to anyone else. I know there are many ties to many other countries, but I am talking about the predominate influence on our Executive, Legal and cultural systems.

I find it akin to the lets get rid of the Union Jack from our flag. If thats what the majority eventually want then so be it. But I think we have a distinctive flag (OK NZ flag is close) that my father, uncles, grandfathers fought under. Some died under. So I would be reluctant to see it go.

Replacing the system we have simply to be rid of the 'holding on to apron strings' just doesn't wash. I think of myself as 4th gen Australian and have just welcomed my son as 5th generation. Our heratige is Welsh and Scottish, and whatever foriegners raped our grandmothers amonst the tit-for-tat european wars of the last 2000 years. I'm sure there is the blood of roman soldiers and moor brides running in our veins. And I'm glad of it.

BTW if there is ever a kangaroo placed on our flag. I'm going to Canada.
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Reply #256 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 4:56pm
 
locutius wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 4:33pm:
And sorry I need a better excuse than the old BOOHOO I don't wanna belong to England anymore. The 'we're not part of England' is just a sook argument and needs to grow up.


Is it a better argument to expect a citizen of the nation to be Head of State?

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Reply #257 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:09pm
 
It is phrased slightly differently, which is a start I guess.
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Reply #258 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:09pm:
It is phrased slightly differently, which is a start I guess.


And a fundamentally different point, as well.

It's hard to imagine why it must not be that case that a citizen may aspire to role of Head of State.

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Reply #259 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:47pm
 
How about this:

And sorry I need a better excuse than the old BOOHOO I don't wanna have a Brit as HOS anymore. The 'we're not ruled by a Brit' is just a sook argument and needs to grow up.
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Reply #260 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:47pm:
How about this:

And sorry I need a better excuse than the old BOOHOO I don't wanna have a Brit as HOS anymore. The 'we're not ruled by a Brit' is just a sook argument and needs to grow up.


So why must a citizen not aspire to be be Head of State? Are you suggesting that the role is so insignificant and unworthy of any citizen's aspiration?

It is more an example of cultural insecurity, in the form of a cultural cringe, to retain a foreign Head of State and an example of cultural maturity to expect at all times that the incumbent of the nation's highest office be a citizen of that nation.

It has been said on this thread before... What we expect of all immigrants, that they become citizens we should also expect of the Head of State.

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Reply #261 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:14pm
 
It has nothing at all to do with insecurity. In fact, it stems from a quiet security. We feel so secure that we focus more on what actually works rather than ignorant nationalism. If we were insecure, we would dump the Queen in a flash and make sure everything was Australian, regardless of how well it worked. All the responses here attest to that. No-one is covering up some kind of embarrasment at being Australian.
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Reply #262 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:14pm:
It has nothing at all to do with insecurity. In fact, it stems from a quiet security. We feel so secure that we focus more on what actually works rather than ignorant nationalism. If we were insecure, we would dump the Queen in a flash and make sure everything was Australian, regardless of how well it worked. All the responses here attest to that. No-one is covering up some kind of embarrasment at being Australian.


So why must a citizen not aspire to be be Head of State? Are you suggesting that the role is insignificant and unworthy of any citizen's aspiration?


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Reply #263 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:21pm
 
You can aspire to whatever you want.
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Reply #264 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:21pm:
You can aspire to whatever you want.


Except to be the Australian Head of State.

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Reply #265 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:22pm
 
You can aspire to that too if you want.
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Reply #266 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:22pm:
You can aspire to that too if you want.


Or to be an ethnic African or a Martian... Let's leave the definition of 'aspire' to those things that are achievable and within the context of the topic.

No Australian citizen should expect that his/her aspiration to be Head of State is realisable under the current system.

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Reply #267 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:45pm
 
I think this is what the BOOHOO bit was about.
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Reply #268 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:45pm:
I think this is what the BOOHOO bit was about.


Is that an example of how you see the role of Head of State? Insignificant? Interesting for someone who runs a politics forum would see the nation's highest political role treated with so much disregard.

Would this be an example of your quiet security... or your cultural cringe? Have you been indoctrinated by an anachronistic system to believe that the role is irrelevant?... or is it dull complacency? Do you simply not care?

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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #269 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:28am
 
Helian, Interesting that you think that it is being suggested the having an Australian as Head of State is being treated as 'Insignificant'. I made no such suggestion. But I will state quite clearly that it is not at the top of my own criteria of priorities. There are greater issues at stake. I can't really add to what freediver has offered in reply. They could have been my own words.

When we get a Republic AFTER we get the details right, then I will say long live the Republic.

I might add that it is one of the great sidelining items that gets put before parliment and the public. A great means of directing interest away from more important or controversial subjects. It will be interesting to see the timing of the Rudd government 's reintroduction of the republic to national debate.

When it happens, that's the best time for the electorate to have  peripheral vision.
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