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Re: Rascism..what does it REALLY mean?
Reply #45 - Mar 5^th, 2007 at 2:55pm

Aushole - I'm using the term Jew in its racial sense - Ashkenasic Jews to be pricise. Their religion has nothing to do with this discussion - you have obviously understood nothing to be raising the religion aspect. Fischer was an Ashkenasic Jew, the same as Kasparov, Botvinik and many others. So you believe it is purely co-incidence the 54% of chess world champs have been racially Jewish and not all from Russia. And also just a co-incidence that so many Nobel physicists were Askenasic Jews - Einstein, Oppenheimer, Szilard, Teller, Weinburg etc etc and from many different countries and cultures.

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Re: Rascism..what does it REALLY mean?
Reply #47 - Mar 5^th, 2007 at 11:53pm

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My definition of racism? I haven't provided one. I was arguing your point of view on race, not the definition of racism.

Well Aushole, a quote of yours tells me otherwise:
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DT, I disagree. You have to include culture. And culture is shaped by religion, so that should be included too.

To me, this is you re-defining the term 'racism.' You're telling me to INCLUDE culture. Therefore, you explain it to me.

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There is no law against criticism. Criticise all you like. I see no problem in that.

Well, according to you, culture is part of the definition of being a 'racist,' correct?

So if I criticize Islam, that would be 'racist,' correct?

And there ARE laws that prevent me from criticizing, in your own words:
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In Australia, there are anti-discrimination laws, dealing with, race, religion, political persuasion, disability, etc.

Therefore, you're giving me information that's incorrect. There ARE laws that prevent me from criticizing a culture.

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If there were no differences between races, we wouldn't be having this discussion! What is a problem is when an element of superiority is introduced.

So if I state the bleeding obvious, such as 'European culture is superior to that of Aboriginal culture,' then would I be a 'racist?' Therefore, I would be arrested? That's plain stupid. It basically prevents the truth from being told.

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So it doesn't really matter whether you call it 'racism' or not, the concept is the overriding factor. If you want my definition of racism, it is the definition as provided by the UN, and which underpins the laws of Australia.

What's the definition of the UN? That criticizing both race and culture is 'racism?'

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I would agree that currently, European culture is more economically successful than African culture and Aboriginal culture. That is because the principal of democracy and a free market economy is applied, and these political and economic systems govern the world.

And these are European cultural traits aren't they? And also the concept of the Westminster system and 'parliament' are cultural traits of European countries as well.

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If you were to travel back to the Dark Ages, you would say that Persian and Islamic culture was more successful than European culture, based on trade, political thought and scientific achievement.

Too bad it ain't the past then, hey? Roll Eyes

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The problem we have in the world is that not all cultures are on equal standing. Some emphasise wealth over family, others spirituality over tangible items. Based on the size of the pleasure centres in the brain, scientists have found that the most satisfied people on earth are buddhist monks (of Tibet, I believe). This is largely because they spend so much time in a higher state of consciousness, via meditation. Does that make them a superior race?

Give me a break. Roll Eyes

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Re: Rascism..what does it REALLY mean?
Reply #49 - Mar 6^th, 2007 at 6:36pm

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DT, I disagree. You have to include culture. And culture is shaped by religion, so that should be included too.

To me, this is you re-defining the term 'racism.' You're telling me to INCLUDE culture. Therefore, you explain it to me.

I ask you again, go back and reread my statement. I was arguing against what you said, that race does not include culture and religion. I think your argument has merit, and accept it. So we agree to disagree on that point, that is the definition of RACE.

If we move onto the definition of RACISM, you keep saying that it includes criticism of a race (however race is defined). How do you come by this definition?

The UN uses the following definition of racial discrimination: shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

This definition hinges on the denial of human rights and fundamental freedom. It doesn't say you cannot criticise a race.

And to quote the laws of what you consider to be a superior race (whichever it is in Western Europe) the EU provides an even wider application of discrimination: Article 21 of the charter prohibits discrimination on any ground such as race, color, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, disability, age or sexual orientation and also discrimination on the grounds of nationality.i

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Re: Rascism..what does it REALLY mean?
Reply #50 - Mar 6^th, 2007 at 7:06pm

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So you believe it is purely co-incidence the 54% of chess world champs have been racially Jewish and not all from Russia. And also just a co-incidence that so many Nobel physicists were Askenasic Jews - Einstein, Oppenheimer, Szilard, Teller, Weinburg etc etc and from many different countries and cultures.

Sorry, my last post was a wind up in response to all your statistics. Wink

My understanding of Judaism is that it is more like a race than a religion. Regardless of religious belief, the Jewish 'family' consider anyone born a Jew to remain a Jew. Which is why even if you convert to Judaism, you will never be considered a real Jew by the orthodox followers. Jewishness comes from ancestry (I think it is the mother's side?). So Fischer was an anti-semitic Jew! Shocked

As I said before, I don't know if Nobel winners provide a good indication of intelligence. Which is why I threw chess players into the equation. Could it be the statistics reflect a grouping based on academic excellence and/or opportunity?

If we are going to throw around statistics, check out these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ So it appears that Australia has a higher IQ than Israel. So does the US, UK, NZ and Vietnam. Given that Israel has the largest number of Jews per head of population in the world, shouldn't they have the highest IQ?

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Three charged over Vic race hate attack
Reply #51 - Mar 6^th, 2007 at 7:10pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Three-charged-over-Vic-race-hate-attack/2007/03/06/1173156497719.html

A Jewish businessman who was punched and abused will continue his struggle for justice despite police charging three men over the race hate attack.

After he was abused and had his religious skullcap taken, the businessmen confronted the busload of rowdy footballers and their driver, an off-duty policemen.

The involvement of the off-duty senior constable prompted Mr Vorchheimer to launch his own civil action in the case, accusing the police of racial and religious discrimination.

On October 14 last year, the textile distributor - dressed in traditional Jewish garb - was walking along a road in suburban Caulfield with his two children when he was abused and attacked.

About 20 football players drove past him in a minibus driven by the off-duty police officer and subjected him to racist abuse.

The men yelled "F... off Jews" and "Go the Nazis", Mr Vorchheimer later told a newspaper.

When Mr Vorchheimer caught up with the bus and demanded his skullcap be returned he was allegedly punched in the face.

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Poms whinge about racism
Reply #52 - Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 4:45pm

Those dear old poms have decided that pom is a derogatory term and should no longer be used in advertising. They have formed a group called British People Against Racial Discrimination and are suing to stop the use of the term in advertising.

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"From 1860 `jimmygrant', rhyming slang for immigrant, was used contemptuously of new chums from Britain, from the red of the pomegranate, perhaps referring to the ruddy complexion of new arrivals.

"As often happens with rhyming slang, the rhyming element disappeared (as with `Noah' for Noah's ark - shark, `she's apples' for she's apples and spice - nice), and we were left with Pommy then Pom."

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uno New Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 24 Gender:	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #53 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 1:07pm What is a "Pom?" Do I even want to know?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #54 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 2:02pm An English person.
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uno New Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 24 Gender:	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #55 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:18pm And what are the origins of that?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #56 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:42pm Immigrant -> Jimmy Grant -> pomegranate -> Pommy -> Pom -> whinging Pom
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Re: Poms whinge about racism
Reply #57 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:44pm

uno wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:18pm:

And what are the origins of that?

He said it a few posts ago... Cool

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"From 1860 `jimmygrant', rhyming slang for immigrant, was used contemptuously of new chums from Britain, from the red of the pomegranate, perhaps referring to the ruddy complexion of new arrivals.

Pomegranates are good, but I prefer apples....Golden apples...of Discord!

PS: Apple-shaped marzipan are also not too shabby! Wink

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Kalliste(Guest) Guest	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #58 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:46pm You know, now that I reread your post, it sounds like you are asking what are the origins of an English person. England would be my first guess.
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uno New Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 24 Gender:	Re: Poms whinge about racism Reply #59 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:41pm What about strawberry shaped marzipan dipped in chocolate?
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