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Reply #120 - Jan 1st, 2008 at 7:49pm
 
I saw this on the TV news but couldn't fin it online. There was a witness to the assault saying the group of thugs were chanting Aussue Aussie Aussie, telling the victim to go back home, that this is 'our' country etc.

Start of 2008 marred by deaths, violence

http://news.smh.com.au/start-of-2008-marred-by-deaths-violence/20080101-1jqy.html

The deaths came as a 21-year-old man was in a serious condition in Gold Coast Hospital after being stabbed in the back during a fight on the tourist strip overnight.

Another man, also 21, received multiple superficial wounds during the fight, which began on a bus and continued at the Metro Shopping Centre at Biggera Waters.
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Reply #121 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 10:16am
 
hi all, i recently met a white supremacist and he was telling me about the superiority of the white race and how other races are inferior. i really didn't understand his logic and was asking him questions to explain it, he didn't really like me since i pointed out that he wasn't making any sense.

first of all, i asked him what he means by "white race"? his response was people of European backgrounds, which is fair enough.

i then asked him does that include Spain & Portugal? which he said "yes".
so does that make Latinos white as well, since Spain and Portugal colonised South & Central America?
oddly enough, he said "no", Latinos are not white.

okay, so using that logic, u can argue that Australian's are also not white, since Britain colonised Australia in the same way that Spain/Portugal colonised South/Central America. Oddly, this white supremacist said "No, Australian's are white, so are the British, Spain & Portugal, but not Latinos".

obviously this didn't make sense.

but moving on, i asked him about Asians, and he said that they are an inferior race. but i then asked him if they were an inferior race, then why was Hitler allies with the Japanese during World War II? obviously, if the Japanese were an inferior race, then why would Hitler of all people, support them? this white supremacist couldn't reply to that.

i also asked him about Italians & Greeks, who are part of Europe but are typically referred to as "wogs". he mentioned that they are also an inferior race, even though they are part of Europe. but wasn't Italy an ally of Hitler during World War II as well? again, if they are inferior then why would Hitler support them? this white supremacist couldn't reply to that either.

so the point of this thread, i just wanted to clarify what white supremacists mean by "white race"? what is white and what isn't? also, if the responses by this white supremacist are correct, then how can anybody seriously believe this idelogy when it is obviously flawed?

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Reply #122 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 5:55pm
 
When you meet people who think that way - you have to wonder if they have been educated at all and what their upbringings were like.

We are such a melting pot these days - you're skin may look pale, but you can be made up genetically of a hundred different nationalities to produce the person you are today.

Supremacists are such a contradiction because they want to believe they are superior, but in reality they are so inferior that many races would label them "white trash".

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Reply #123 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 6:48pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 2nd, 2007 at 5:55pm:
We are such a melting pot these days - you're skin may look pale, but you can be made up genetically of a hundred different nationalities to produce the person you are today.


that's true, i forgot to mention that this guy mentioned the "one-drop rule", which basically means if u have an ancestor that is non-white, then u are not white at all.

it was funny since he mentioned that Russell Crowe wasn't white and shouldn't have portrayed a skin-head in Romper Stomper. Why? because his great-great grandmother on his mother's side was a maori and therefore making him 1/32nd maori and therefore not white at all.

by that standard, u can argue that no one is white, since races have been inter-mixing for hundreds of generations.
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Reply #124 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 6:57pm
 
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i then asked him does that include Spain & Portugal? which he said "yes". 
so does that make Latinos white as well, since Spain and Portugal colonised South & Central America?
oddly enough, he said "no", Latinos are not white.


This White supremist is correct but just didn't have the knowledge to back up his own argument, Gavin.

Most Mexicans and South Americans actually don't have European blood in them. They actually aren't decendants of South West Europe, but decendants of Aztecs, Mayans and Incans. There were millions and millions of these people occupying these areas at the time, which continues to this day. -A vast, rich civilisation. These people are not genitically European, but have largely obtained European culture (Some of it, anyway).


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okay, so using that logic, u can argue that Australian's are also not white, since Britain colonised Australia in the same way that Spain/Portugal colonised South/Central America. Oddly, this white supremacist said "No, Australian's are white, so are the British, Spain & Portugal, but not Latinos".

obviously this didn't make sense. 


Actually, Europeans segregated themselves from Aboriginals. There weren't that many Aboriginals in Australia (Realistic estimate around 200-500 thousand). Up until the 1960's, they were considered 'flora and fauna' under the Australian Government. When Europeans came, they completely overwhelmed the Aboriginals and segregated them.

You can't compare the two. Completely different things.


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but moving on, i asked him about Asians, and he said that they are an inferior race. but i then asked him if they were an inferior race, then why was Hitler allies with the Japanese during World War II? obviously, if the Japanese were an inferior race, then why would Hitler of all people, support them? this white supremacist couldn't reply to that. 


The problem with people like you and him, is that you tend to throw all the Asians in the same basket (I'm just assuming you mean 'east Asians' as compared to 'West Asians'). For example, Japan and China ae completely different people, with different customs, lifestyles and cultures.

I've read somewhere that Nazis tend to focus on 'master races.' -Not just 'white races.'


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i also asked him about Italians & Greeks, who are part of Europe but are typically referred to as "wogs". he mentioned that they are also an inferior race, even though they are part of Europe. but wasn't Italy an ally of Hitler during World War II as well? again, if they are inferior then why would Hitler support them? this white supremacist couldn't reply to that either.


I've always been confused about this as well... but I think I found my answer recently when studying Italy. -I think this guy is a pretty uneducated white supremist.

Italians are largely 'whiter' in the northern Italian area. Venice etc...
In the south, Rome etc, they largely look 'meditteranean.' The reason of the physical differences between Italians I'd imagine would be the movements of people between Switzerland and Italy in the north, and the movement of people between 'North Africa' and Italy in the south. This may have played a part in Hitlers thinking, as well as the fact that Northern Italy is the more 'sophisticated' area of Italy. 
Hitler was also obsessed with history, and acknowledged the fact that the Romans created a massive empire, hence the master race thing...
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Reply #125 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 7:40pm
 
Donald Trump I feel has answered this brilliantly even though it may be guess work the 'Master Race' scenario sums it up. On that note I think all white supremists or any type of radicals are just pig headed F-wits and selfish A-holes. (Pardon the language I couldn't help myself. Roll Eyes

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Reply #126 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 6:57am
 
Reply #4 - Yesterday at 8:40pm    Donald Trump I feel has answered this brilliantly even though it may be guess work the 'Master Race' scenario sums it up. On that note I think all white supremists or any type of radicals are just pig headed F-wits and selfish A-holes. (Pardon the language I couldn't help myself."
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Enviro-thats funny-you just described at least a couple pple that post in here    Grin
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Reply #127 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 7:41am
 
So true Oceans_Blue... Wink

Anyone that thinks that their way is the best and only way are dangerous people. We only assimulate with the knowledge we have and the influences in life. Life is a continual learning curve. When people get to a certain age they start to think the world owes them a living because they are so much wiser than anyone else, or so they think. The wisest person is the person ready to listen and make changes to their beliefs and opinion as new evidence comes up.

I believe everything is segmented and resegmented etc... (Like a tree with many branches) For example, Ten years ago if you spoke out against Freud you were considered a nutcase. Now Frued is proven to be wrong and he is now the nutcase. This is due to technology advances in other areas like DNA and Genetic Studies.

There is thousands of possibilities and probabilities in every area of thought that may or can be right. When one of those answers are found mankind then improves on that answer going through a cycle of trying to prove to himself that this is the best and only option. He tends to forget about the other 999 directions that he could have pushed technology.

Life really is infinite and mankind can start over again with an infinite possibilities. Our creator discovered the purest form perpetual motion.

As for white supremists I would say you would also have black supremists and yellow supremists etc...
All these people are just scared of the unknown. Smiley

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Reply #128 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 9:29am
 
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but moving on, i asked him about Asians, and he said that they are an inferior race. but i then asked him if they were an inferior race, then why was Hitler allies with the Japanese during World War II? obviously, if the Japanese were an inferior race, then why would Hitler of all people, support them? this white supremacist couldn't reply to that.  


The problem with people like you and him, is that you tend to throw all the Asians in the same basket (I'm just assuming you mean 'east Asians' as compared to 'West Asians'). For example, Japan and China ae completely different people, with different customs, lifestyles and cultures.

I've read somewhere that Nazis tend to focus on 'master races.' -Not just 'white races.'


Yeah, i know that Japan and China are totally different cultures, my point was that this white supremacist was lumping all Asians into the one basket (including the Japanese).

So are you saying that it's possible to have a master race that is non-white?


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Hitler was also obsessed with history, and acknowledged the fact that the Romans created a massive empire, hence the master race thing...


So is previously having a massive empire the criteria for being a master race? if that's the case, then would the Aztecs (or modern day Latinos), Egyptians, Greeks also qualify as master races, since they had created massive empires?
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Reply #129 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 9:52am
 
All these people are just scared of the unknown"
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Reply #130 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 9:57am
 
So is previously having a massive empire the criteria for being a master race? if that's the case, then would the Aztecs (or modern day Latinos), Egyptians, Greeks also qualify as master races, since they had created massive empires? "
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Very good question Trump.

I think the Greek cvilisation would have themselves believe they are superior because of theyre cultural prestige and the building blocks on which theyre culture was founded.And they would be fairly correct in theyre thinking..The greek culture has become the cornerstone on which some countries were founded countries were built.
  So its definitely [possible that other countries ,other than the traditional Hitler types, consider themeselves to be superior..esp the Greek.

Why does one have to be white to be a master race?
Who disagrees with this?

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Reply #131 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 1:08pm
 
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Why does one have to be white to be a master race?
Who disagrees with this?


why don't we just say that there is no such thing as a master race?
every person, regardless of race, is human and since we are all human no race is better than the other.
let's just leave it at that.
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Reply #132 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 2:26pm
 
enviro wrote on Apr 3rd, 2007 at 7:41am:
The wisest person is the person ready to listen and make changes to their beliefs and opinion as new evidence comes up.

Nicely put enviro! excellent words!

enviro wrote on Apr 3rd, 2007 at 7:41am:
I believe everything is segmented and resegmented etc... (Like a tree with many branches) For example, Ten years ago if you spoke out against Freud you were considered a nutcase. Now Frued is proven to be wrong and he is now the nutcase. This is due to technology advances in other areas like DNA and Genetic Studies.

There is thousands of possibilities and probabilities in every area of thought that may or can be right. When one of those answers are found mankind then improves on that answer going through a cycle of trying to prove to himself that this is the best and only option. He tends to forget about the other 999 directions that he could have pushed technology.

Life really is infinite and mankind can start over again with an infinite possibilities. Our creator discovered the purest form perpetual motion.

As for white supremists I would say you would also have black supremists and yellow supremists etc...
All these people are just scared of the unknown. Smiley


And I like the rest of it too... bravo, very well said.
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Reply #133 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 4:28pm
 
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Yeah, i know that Japan and China are totally different cultures, my point was that this white supremacist was lumping all Asians into the one basket (including the Japanese). 


Sorry I misunderstood. It appeared upon reading that you were just asking your friend about 'Asians' in general.


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So are you saying that it's possible to have a master race that is non-white? 


I dunno. Why don't you ask an actual Nazi this question? And not a stupid, Jerry Springer one, either.


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So is previously having a massive empire the criteria for being a master race? if that's the case, then would the Aztecs (or modern day Latinos), Egyptians, Greeks also qualify as master races, since they had created massive empires?


I think a Nazis argument would be along the lines of... the Aztecs had nothing serious to compete with and didn't make any 'great' achievements. Which they didn't.

The Egyptians. Well, I think a possible answer for that would be that they didn't have a continuing influence on the World, whereas people like the Italians did. The Italians dominated the world during the Roman Empire and became the saviours  of Europe when the renaissance (Spellcheck) came around. Italy continued to be an influence on the world whereas Egypt seemed to be just a fluke.

As far as the Greeks go, I think the fact that the Muslims occupied Greece for about 400 years or something like that severely influenced Hitlers thinking. As mixing blood according to him destroyed empires and people. And since ancient Greece, the Greeks achieved nothing. -A few Greeks I know agree with that last point.


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Reply #134 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 4:35pm
 
muslims occupying Greece for 400 years?
at what point in history did that happen?
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