You didn't answer my question freediver. Yes or no?

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. How the hell am I supposed to know whether I know you in real life? Is DT your real name? Do you stand by what you say in here, or do you support multiculturalism in real life?

Hi leon,

I see racists as people who think there are differences between the races.
If someone is aggressive or violent is another thing.

Nonracists tend to have never lived in a society where races are mixed.

Hi freediver -  I meant the more outspoken racists have had experiences of the differences of races.
ie, they speak from a position of experience.

the "non-racists" tend to speak from a position of no experience, more a sense of idealism.


martin luther king knew intimately that the races are different.

Course he was racist.  He was on the blacks side.
Most would consider that a "good" racist.
Fact is, he knew there was a difference between the races.
He supported a bunch of people according to their colour, not by their income

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2007 at 10:44am:


This quote seemed pretty straightforward at the time...

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Looking at it again though... you could be addressing either 'me' or 'everyone' in general. In which case, this is just a simple misunderstanding. But you've had a habit of assuming things about me FD... like in the 'Muslims are rude thread'... you just 'couldn't' believe that I DIDN'T give the Muslims dirty looks or talked down to them... which gave me the impression that that last statement was targetting me.

And yes FD, a LOT of 'non-racists' I know are from societies with little to no 'other races' around. The difference with people like good old, Martin Luther Queen, is that he's the minority. IF, he was in the majority of a society, he wouldn't be talking about 'equality' of man, etc, in fact he wouldn't give a rats @ss.

Minorties who ramble on about the 'equality of man' are just whiners who can't stand living as an outsider. People in a majority society who ramble on about it simply don't live among other races. It's just something they saw on tv that 'inspired' them.

I'm seriously not buying this 'study' found by the newspapers... in that people who live in neighbourhoods with different races seem to get along with them better... I think that's hogwash. IF anything... it makes them hate them more... but they just don't speak up about it in fear of the other races lashing out at them. 

And the state thinks this 'not speaking up about it' is somehow a 'victory' for multiculturalism/diversity, when in fact it's just people shutting up in fear of a backlash.

you just 'couldn't' believe that I DIDN'T give the Muslims dirty looks or talked down to them...

No, I couldn't believe that your interaction with them was not influenced by your views. That is, I did not believe your assertion that it was 'all their fault'.

IF, he was in the majority of a society, he wouldn't be talking about 'equality' of man, etc, in fact he wouldn't give a rats @ss. 

Plenty of white people who live in 'mixed' societies like the US and Australia talk about equality.

I'm seriously not buying this 'study' found by the newspapers... in that people who live in neighbourhoods with different races seem to get along with them better... I think that's hogwash. IF anything... it makes them hate them more... but they just don't speak up about it in fear of the other races lashing out at them.   

Seems plausible to me. Ignorance is the greatest cause of social fear. Also fits with my own experience.

he also was a racist, albeit a "good" one.

In what way?

Whatever.. you still assumed. Therefore, you're not correct.

1) that's a logical fallacy.

2) It is an entirely reasonable assumption. You cannot expect people to believe that your own views do not affect how you interact with other people in any way. Your focus on the more overt forms of racism reinforces this. It's like you aren't even aware of the subtle ways you could be discriminating against people.

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Where racism leads:

Race hate attack on Jewish teen

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22270756-1243,00.html

TWO men with baseball bats beat a teenage Orthodox Jew outside a Melbourne restaurant in a racist attack overnight, Jewish leaders said today.

The boy, Alon Tam, said the two men yelled “f---ing Jew, you deserve to die,” as they bashed him with the bats near Mister Glicks restaurant in suburban Balaclava.

http://news.smh.com.au/mcg-spies-to-target-racist-cricket-rants/20071223-1io0.html

Australian vice-captain Adam Gilchrist has warned fans they have only themselves to blame if they fall foul of tough anti-racism rules at the cricket.

Fans face life-time bans from the MCG if officials decide their taunts are serious enough.

Undercover officials will monitor crowd behaviour at the upcoming Boxing Day Test against India.

Australian all-rounder Andrew Symonds was the target of racial taunts during the tour of India two months ago.