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Question: Abortion - should it be legal?

Yes    
  16 (64.0%)
No    
  5 (20.0%)
Maybe - it depends on the circumstances    
  4 (16.0%)




Total votes: 25
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Family planning funding ban faces review
Reply #45 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 8:12pm
 
Another policy backflip from the coalition:

http://news.smh.com.au/family-planning-funding-ban-faces-review/20080318-207g.html

A Howard government ban on Australian aid funding family-planning advice in developing countries may be scrapped.

Labor MPs have been asked to nominate themselves for a caucus committee to look into overhauling AusAID's policy banning funding for projects which gave out information about abortion and contraception.

The regulations date back to the 1990s, when conservative Tasmanian independent Brian Harradine held the balance of power in the Senate and was able to influence the Howard government on social issues.

Senator Harradine retired in June 2005.

Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson left the door open to supporting a change in January, saying Australia had to do everything it could to give people in the developing world a reasonable expectation of a healthy life.

Australian Democrats leader Lyn Allison said she welcomed Labor's decision to review the guidelines.

"But it must not be rail-roaded by the few who will never agree to abortion," she said.
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Reply #46 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2008 at 8:12pm:
Another policy backflip from the coalition:

http://news.smh.com.au/family-planning-funding-ban-faces-review/20080318-207g.html

A Howard government ban on Australian aid funding family-planning advice in developing countries may be scrapped.

Labor MPs have been asked to nominate themselves for a caucus committee to look into overhauling AusAID's policy banning funding for projects which gave out information about abortion and contraception.

The regulations date back to the 1990s, when conservative Tasmanian independent Brian Harradine held the balance of power in the Senate and was able to influence the Howard government on social issues.

Senator Harradine retired in June 2005.

Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson left the door open to supporting a change in January, saying Australia had to do everything it could to give people in the developing world a reasonable expectation of a healthy life.

Australian Democrats leader Lyn Allison said she welcomed Labor's decision to review the guidelines.

"But it must not be rail-roaded by the few who will never agree to abortion," she said.


explain to me how abortion prevents aids?????
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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #47 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:28pm
 
huh?
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Re: Family planning funding ban faces review
Reply #48 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:29pm
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:19pm:
explain to me how abortion prevents aids?????



The aborted baby can not catch it.
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Re: Family planning funding ban faces review
Reply #49 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:46pm
 
deepthought wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:29pm:
Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:19pm:
explain to me how abortion prevents aids?????



The aborted baby can not catch it.


um aborted baby already has hiv then...

so what your saying is that we should abort african babies who may or may not have hiv?
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Re: Family planning funding ban faces review
Reply #50 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:51pm
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:46pm:
deepthought wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:29pm:
Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:19pm:
explain to me how abortion prevents aids?????



The aborted baby can not catch it.


um aborted baby already has hiv then...

so what your saying is that we should abort african babies who may or may not have hiv?


No.  It was a joke mate.  Just a joke.
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Re: Family planning funding ban faces review
Reply #51 - Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:54pm
 
deepthought wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:51pm:
Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:46pm:
deepthought wrote on Mar 20th, 2008 at 6:29pm:
[quote author=pender link=1172285897/45#46 date=1206001161]

explain to me how abortion prevents aids?????



The aborted baby can not catch it.[/quote]

um aborted baby already has hiv then...

so what your saying is that we should abort african babies who may or may not have hiv?


No.  It was a joke mate.  Just a joke.


ah ok,

you would probably be surprised how many times i have heard that argument used...



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Reply #52 - Mar 21st, 2008 at 8:13am
 
Of course abortion should be legal, but it should always be a last resort and each case should be considered independently.

Compulsory abortions? - now that's totally scary that anyone should be talking like that.
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Govt undecided on abortion aid debate
Reply #53 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 6:31pm
 
http://news.smh.com.au/national/govt-undecided-on-abortion-aid-debate-20080608-2nga.html

The Rudd government has not yet decided on whether to overturn a ban on providing funds to overseas aid programs giving advice on abortion.

The ban was introduced a decade ago by the Howard government, but Foreign Minister Stephen Smith is once again looking into the issue.

Mr Rudd told the Ten Network he was sure there would be a caucus discussion on the issue.

"Put all this into context - there was an all-party report last year chaired by the Liberal Party under Dr Mal Washer, as I understand it, which recommended that these guidelines agreed in the past by the Liberal government be changed," he said.

"That, of course, has triggered further discussion both within the Liberal Party now, and in our own party.

"The caucus I'm sure will debate this at the appropriate time."

But Mr Rudd said he would like to see more information before making a set decision on whether to support a change to the current ban.

"The exact nature or the quantum of our funding commitment to these programs to assist population control mechanisms in developing countries and how they are administered, I'd really like to get my head around all of the detail of that before getting into the substance of the debate," he said.

When asked if the churches would play a role in the government's decision, Mr Rudd said they were entitled to participate in the debate.

"Look, it's a democracy.

"Everyone's got a pretty fair chance to have their say in this country.

"Let's have a discussion and as soon as I'm across all the detail, I'll be in it as well.

"It's one of the things which is part of how you govern the country - being open to challenge rather than saying any challenge to us represents some sort of threat to our political authority. Not our approach."
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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #54 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 7:44pm
 
It was a bit hypocritical of Howard in the first place placing a ban on overseas aid programs giving advice on abortion.  He allowed Abbott to set up a Catholic abortion advice service here in Australia costing millions.  

I think it's a great idea if programs can be set up, particularly in places like Africa where half dead women, who have already borne a number of aids inflicted children, can abort further children that will end up orphans.

Better still - maybe Rudd should think about setting up family planning clinics instead where the women can be advised on, and provided with, contraception.

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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #55 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 8:07pm
 
mantra wrote on Jun 8th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
It was a bit hypocritical of Howard in the first place placing a ban on overseas aid programs giving advice on abortion.  He allowed Abbott to set up a Catholic abortion advice service here in Australia costing millions.  

I think it's a great idea if programs can be set up, particularly in places like Africa where half dead women, who have already borne a number of aids inflicted children, can abort further children that will end up orphans.

Better still - maybe Rudd should think about setting up family planning clinics instead where the women can be advised on, and provided with, contraception.



You have absolutely no idea about abortion, do you?  Angry


Sometimes it SAVES lives. Shocked
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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #56 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 8:35pm
 
Nef I think you got your wires crossed.
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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #57 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 8:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2008 at 8:35pm:
Nef I think you got your wires crossed.


Nope. My wires are not crossed.   Angry  What the hell would you know about having an abortion, huh?  Please don't tell me what I should or should not understand or whether my "wires are crossed" or whatever. Jerk!
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Re: ABORTION - should it be legal?
Reply #58 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 8:54pm
 
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Nope. My wires are not crossed.     What the hell would you know about having an abortion, huh?  Please don't tell me what I should or should not understand or whether my "wires are crossed" or whatever. Jerk!


Calm down neferti.  I didn't say I was against abortion.  I think it's absolutely essential for some women - particularly those who can't cope - either physically or mentally.

FD just meant that you misunderstood my post.  I got it wrong too about Howard being a hypocrite.  Obviously Howard was totally against abortion here & overseas - no matter what the circumstances.
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