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Question: Abortion - should it be legal?

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Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid
Reply #30 - Aug 10th, 2007 at 10:55am
 
You think starting up businesses is more important than basic healthcare?
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Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid
Reply #31 - Aug 10th, 2007 at 4:48pm
 
I think allowing a family to pull itself out of complete dependency on aid by the type of micro-loan that sets them up- ie for a sewing machine or a few goats is far better than providing advice and counselling on abortion.  Health care is a different matter. Obviously health clinics and training for health workers is a good idea, but it is harder with limited funds to provide very village with a hospital which i think is a far higher priority than an abortion clinic.
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Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid
Reply #32 - Aug 10th, 2007 at 5:29pm
 
I doubt they would set up 'abortion clinics' by themselves. It would be part of a broader health care package. Remember that childbirth is a time of very high risk for both mother and child. Mothers frequently die in childbirth in poor countries.

It's not that people are spending money on promoting abortions. It's that conservative campaigners are demanding that any health service funded is not allowed to mention the topic.
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Catholic hospitals ban pill for rape victims
Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 6:47pm
 
What are rape victims supposed to do if they are unfortunate enough to end up in a Catholic run hospital and need a morning after pill? It's not like they are in a well enough state of mind to pack up their things and get a taxi to a real hospital, what with having to deal with police and everything else.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Hospitals-must-offer-rape-victims-pill/2007/01/11/1168105099045.html

Governments should enforce strict guidelines on hospitals requiring them to offer rape victims the morning-after pill, a rape crisis counsellor says.

The call comes after revelations Catholic-controlled hospitals are refusing to supply the morning-after pill to rape victims.

Catholic Health Australia's Code of Ethical Standards says raped women should not be referred to centres that offer the morning-after pill.
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Reply #34 - Jan 12th, 2007 at 7:24am
 
I think this stinks but, one thing is a rape victim wont be of sound mind for a length of time before they are able to make their own unbias decision to terminate pregnancy.

Does the State make that decision for them or do we leave it to the rape victim?

The Catholic Church is the same church that allows Gays to be ministers. The church should believe that God will choose who becomes pregnant and who doesn't. Is the Catholic church run by Man or God?

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Re: Catholic hospitals ban pill for rape victims
Reply #35 - Jan 16th, 2007 at 4:11pm
 
The fact that the Catholic Hospitals won't supply an abortion pill to a rape victim says a lot for the new Centacare Counselling Service who have just received a huge $50 million grant from the Federal Government.

How will women seeking an abortion really be advised by these Catholic counsellers?  Tony Abbott says that they will be unbiased.  Does this sound believable?
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Re: Catholic hospitals ban pill for rape victims
Reply #36 - Jan 16th, 2007 at 4:17pm
 
I don't think it's possible to give unbiased advice. Even if you read from a list of things you are allowed to say, or give both points of view, you are still going to give subtle hints about your opinion in your voice inflexion etc. If they are good devout catholics then they are going to put their obedience to God before any other rules they are given. The church can even fire them on a regular basis - there are plenty more to choose from.
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Re: Catholic hospitals ban pill for rape victims
Reply #37 - Jan 21st, 2007 at 11:39am
 
True - freediver.  Whatever a counsellor's opinion is - those who are professionally trained usually give fair and balanced advice.

Members of the Catholic Church are biased from the start and are not in a position to go against their doctrine.
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Reply #38 - Jan 26th, 2007 at 8:59am
 
What scares me the most is that I know certain group of men see rape of a woman as their contribution to a political/religious war which is happening within their households?

What  scares me more is that Australian people at large do not seem to understand that sex offenders do not necessarily see rape as wrong..

I will try to explain the type of male we are dealing with,..

I have had the opportunity to read the report on actual events caused by High Profile Sex Offenders.   (Unfortunately I must not name names. I am sure you know these brothers.)  

also, I have been unfortunate to be born in the country which,16 years later, will go into a civil/religious war and where I will spend no less than two years as a teenage girl in a mans bloody world

While reading the police report and "while doing my time" in a war zone I have come across a certain type of a male who is most likely to offend..
This male is from uneducated & usually Very Large Family. Within his culture large families who have large number of kids are put on a pedestal.  And I am not talking about 4, 5, and even 8... I am talking about 10, 11, 13...  To them Education comes way behind their religion, domination over other religions, food, learning native’s language...

These kids grow up listening to their parents talking about nothing else  but the importance of their god and their religion...  Parents are illiterate. They have nothing else to teach the child nor do they want to because they are certain their god is right and as long as they populate/multiply they will be ok.  As far as they are concerned , their power lies in numbers.  

These men are encouraged and are seen as better/higher men if they are to marry a woman from other religions. It’s a victory for them..  he has minimised the "other side" numbers by 1.  And he gets extra "presents" from his god when he dies.  

Rape is a form of showing dominance (but this you know) however, RAPE,  first and foremost is a form of populating the "other side" with their seed.  This method has been used by the Ottoman empire (The Turks)and was seen as the most effective way of not only bringing fear into the invaded countries but also a way of spreading their own religion (+ men get rewarded for doing it.)   It is their goal to make a woman pregnant not "just" rape her.  My ancestors have lived 500 years under their rule and rape was almost like a trade mark to them...

Unfortunately, in the last Civil War (1990's) my side, the Christians, as well as other "type" of Christians have adapted their disgusting ways and they too have raped their women with the excuse of 'returning' what was due.  I can not begin to explain how ashamed I am to be born within these creatures.

I have experienced and seen the behaviours of young men who rape women.  What I could not believe is that I would read factual / similar story which happened here in Sydney.  I thought it was safe here...

My intention is neither to spread the hate nor racism.  My intention is to advise you to keep your sisters and cousins close... Especially women raised in Australia, who are tolerant/accepting, their views can be naive and only get them into trouble.  

They need to know that men who move in herds are dangerous because they are stupid (they move in herds cause they know, by themselves, they are inadequate). They have no brains and all they know is violence.

THIS PLANET is too small for the number of vicious men who are able & willing to attack us.  Australia is not the only country where this happens.  The whole word is dealing with these issues.

I fear things will get worse but lets hope its my previous experience which is making me pesimistic and not anything else.

Thank you Australia
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Reply #39 - Jan 31st, 2007 at 8:01pm
 
Hi Jelena

That was a very honest letter.  Unfortunately rape goes on everywhere - as you say even here in Australia.  The difference here is that it is illegal although very few women come forward when it happens to them because of the long drawn out interrogations and court cases.

As we get more and more immigrants here from countries where "rape" is a sign of manliness and dominance, our young women will have to be more careful.

There must be a lot of rape that goes on behind closed doors by males who haven't been born here - and the woman just allows it to happen, because that's the way she's been brought up.
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Amnesty backs women's right to abortion
Reply #40 - Aug 18th, 2007 at 1:20pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Amnesty-backs-womens-right-to-abortion/2007/08/18/1186857817774.html

Human rights group Amnesty International has backed women's right to an abortion if their lives are in danger or if they have been raped in a move likely to further anger the Catholic Church.

The church, which considers abortion to be murder and never justified, has already urged Catholic organisations to withdraw their support for Amnesty over the policy. The Vatican says Amnesty has "betrayed its mission".

At the end of its annual meeting in Mexico City on Friday, Amnesty said it would work to "support the decriminalisation of abortion, to ensure women have access to heath care when complications arise from abortion and to defend women's access to abortion ... when their health or human rights are in danger".

Amnesty Secretary-General Irene Khan told Reuters in July that the new policy, inspired by rapes in war zones such as Darfur, urged governments to provide safe abortions when women conceive after rape or incest or when a pregnant woman's life is threatened.

Bishop William Skylstad, head of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, said in July the decision "undermines Amnesty's long-standing moral credibility" and called on the London-based rights group, founded by a Catholic layman, to reverse its policy.
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Japan starts unwanted babies drop box
Reply #41 - May 11th, 2007 at 12:58pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Japan-starts-unwanted-babies-drop-box/2007/05/11/1178390518594.html

A Japanese hospital opened the country's only anonymous drop box for unwanted infants despite government admonitions against abandoning babies.

The baby drop-off, called "Crane's Cradle," was opened by the Catholic-run Jikei Hospital in the southern city of Kumamoto as a way to discourage abortions and the abandonment of infants in unsafe public places. The hospital described it as a parent's last resort.

A small hatch on the side of the hospital allows people to drop off babies into an incubator 24 hours a day. An alarm would notify hospital staff of any new arrival. The infants will initially be cared for by the hospital and then put up for adoption.

Similar baby drops exist in Germany and South Africa. Some US states, such as Alabama and Minnesota, also have programs that protect the identities of women who give up their babies.

An drop box had been in operation years ago near Tokyo, a local news report said. It received only 10 babies in six years, the Mainichi newspapers said.

It was closed in 1992 after a dead child was found inside, the report said.

The latest drop box comes after a series of high-profile cases in which newborn babies were left behind in parks and supermarkets triggering a public outcry.

With no law against abortions and no clear religious taboos in predominantly Buddhist Japan, the procedure is readily available and widespread.

Nearly 290,000 cases of abortion were reported in 2005, according to the Health Ministry.
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Reply #42 - May 12th, 2007 at 1:52am
 
Man... those Japs are efficient.  Wink
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Reply #43 - May 15th, 2007 at 10:17am
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Boy-dumped-in-Japans-unwanted-baby-box/2007/05/15/1178995115097.html

Japan's first "baby hatch" for parents to anonymously leave babies they cannot raise has received a toddler on its first day in use, a source says.

The boy appears to be in good shape, the source said.

The police are investigating whether the boy's case constitutes an illegal act of parental abandonment.

The development in Japan comes as Australian authorities continue the search for the mother of a newborn baby abandoned at Dandenong Hospital in Melbourne on Mother's Day.

The baby is still suffering breathing difficulties but is otherwise in good condition.

Police have called for the mother or anyone who has information about the baby, to come forward.



Third child left in Japan's baby hatch

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Third-child-left-in-Japans-baby-hatch/2007/06/17/1182018911821.html

An infant has been left at a controversial baby hatch for unwanted newborns - the third child to be placed there since Japan's first baby hatch was opened on May 10, sources close to the matter said.



Abortion is not a human right, says Pope

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Abortion-is-not-a-human-right-says-Pope/2007/09/08/1188783535117.html

Pope Benedict has rejected the concept that abortion could be considered a human right and urged European leaders to do everything possible to raise birth rates and make their countries more child-friendly.

The 80-year-old German Pontiff told diplomats and representatives of international organisations that Europe could not deny its Christian roots because Christianity had played a decisive role in forging its history and culture.

"It was in Europe that the notion of human rights was first formulated. The fundamental human right, the presupposition of every other right, is the right to life itself," he said in an address at the former imperial Hofburg Palace.

"This is true of life from the moment of conception until its natural end. Abortion, consequently, cannot be a human right - it is the very opposite. It is a deep wound in society."



Losing virginity tied to health risks

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Losing-virginity-tied-to-health-risks/2007/12/05/1196812783665.html

People who start having sex at a younger- or older-than-average age appear to be at greater risk of developing sexual health problems later in life, a new US study suggests.

The findings, according to researchers, cast some doubts on the benefits of abstinence-only sexual education that has been introduced in US public schools.



Sex education helps delay sex: US study

http://news.smh.com.au/sex-education-helps-delay-sex-us-study/20071220-1i74.html

Teenagers who have had formal sex education are far more likely to put off having sex, contradicting earlier studies on the effectiveness of such programs, US researchers say.

They found teenage boys who had sex education in school were 71 per cent less likely to have intercourse before age 15, and teen girls who had sex education were 59 per cent less likely to have sex before age 15.

Sex education also increased the likelihood that teen boys would use contraceptives the first time they had sex, according to the study by researchers at the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, which was published in the Journal of Adolescent Health.

The researchers did not evaluate the content of sex education programs, including whether students were taught about contraception or about abstinence only.

Earlier studies, which relied on data from the 1970s through the 1990s, suggested sex education did little to persuade teens to delay sex.

The researchers said they think the difference may be that sex education in the United States is now more widespread and is being taught at earlier ages.



AusAid restrictions archaic: Democrats

http://news.smh.com.au/ausaid-restrictions-archaic-democrats/20080108-1kpa.html

The Australian Democrats want the federal government to abolish "archaic" overseas aid guidelines which ban support for abortion and contraceptives.

The new Labor government is reportedly considering the recommendations of an all-party group of MPs whose report was shelved by the former Howard government.

Chairman of the group, West Australian Liberal MP Mal Washer, said guidelines preventing AusAid from disseminating abortion information should be overturned because the ban was contributing to the deaths of women in many countries.

Democrats foreign affairs spokeswoman Natasha Stott Despoja says the guidelines are a product of Senator Brian Harradine's role a decade ago in the Senate's balance of power.
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Women with ill foetuses denied abortions
Reply #44 - Jan 20th, 2008 at 9:53pm
 
Women with ill foetuses denied abortions

http://news.smh.com.au/women-with-ill-foetuses-denied-abortions/20080120-1mz4.html

Pregnant women carrying a foetus with an abnormality are being denied abortions even when the defect is grounds for "non-treatment" after the baby is born, a leading obstetrician has warned.

The specialist, Professor Lachlan de Crespigny from the University of Melbourne, says current abortion laws are discriminatory and inconsistent, especially towards mums-to-be who detect an abnormality like Down's Syndrome or inoperable heart tumours in their unborn child.

Most parents opt to abort if a severe abnormality is found in a test, but Prof de Crespigny says access to the tests and termination varies depending on where they live, the values of the doctor involved and the determination of the woman.

The problem is that many abnormalities are picked up in ultrasounds at around 20 weeks gestation, and therefore require a later-term abortion which many doctors are reluctant to perform under current laws, he said.

"Women who request a later abortion after the shocking news of a major foetal abnormality may face a harrowing journey and feel that they have been abandoned by hospitals and doctors," wrote Prof de Crespigny and co-author Professor Julian Savulescu, an ethicist at the University of Oxford in the UK.

"The diagnosis and a woman's reluctant request for abortion are distressing enough but if she attends a private obstetrician there is a high likelihood the doctor will not run the personal risk of performing the abortion," they said.

Catholic hospitals won't perform it, rural hospitals rarely can and the few public city hospitals that do will require reassessment by an abortion committee and may still refuse after weeks of delay.

"Such refusals may leave women embittered, not just because of the devastating outcome to their much wanted pregnancy but because of the impersonal and arbitrary system they had to navigate."

A survey of 20 Melbourne obstetricians specialising in foetal abnormalities found that all but one thought Victorian abortion law, similarity restrictive as other states, was unclear and often inappropriate.



Police end Qld abortion protest standoff

http://news.smh.com.au/police-end-qld-abortion-protest-standoff/20080209-1r8r.html

A Right to Life protest in Brisbane almost turned nasty when a group of pro-choice demonstrators ambushed the event and stole the limelight.

Police were called to diffuse the tense stand-off after about 50 pro-choice campaigners stormed the stage as the church-backed Respect for Women rally was about to begin in Queen's Park at 2pm (AEST) on Saturday.

The rally was organised to protest against a private members bill proposed, but not yet lodged, by Labor MP Bonny Barry calling for abortion to be decriminalised in the state.

In Queensland, it is currently an offence to conduct an abortion except when a doctor deems the mother's life to be at risk.



Sex education lacking in Qld: forum

http://news.smh.com.au/sex-education-lacking-in-qld-forum/20080225-1umu.html

Queensland teenagers are at greater risk of abuse, infections and pregnancies due to an ad hoc approach to sex education, a forum has heard.

Research indicated less than five per cent of Queensland students received comprehensive sex education, Family Planning Queensland manager for research and development Holly Brennan told the forum in Brisbane on Monday.

"At the moment it is really up to the school's discretion of how they do it because there are no checks and balances in place," Ms Brennan told AAP outside the forum.

"So some schools will have a fantastic program that goes from grades one to 12 while others just give young people a five-minute talk before they go to schoolies at the end of Year 12."

Ms Brennan said parents were not talking to their children about sexual issues as they believed it was covered at school.

She said young people who received sexual education were less likely to be abused or catch sexually transmitted diseases.

"If young people get sexuality education they are more likely to have sex at a later age and more likely to use contraception when they do, and they are more likely to do it without the influence of drugs and alcohol and be making choices that aren't as exploitative," she said.

Ms Brennan said Queensland was second only to the Northern Territory when it came to child sex abuse and teenage pregnancy rates in Australia.

"People support (sex education), but there is no leadership saying this has to be done," she said.



Give morning-after pill to girls: expert

http://news.smh.com.au/give-morningafter-pill-to-girls-expert/20080302-1w61.html

Nurses at Victorian schools should be able to give the morning-after pill to girls without their parents knowing, an adolescent health expert says.

Victoria's Centre for Adolescent Health director Professor Susan Sawyer told News Limited newspapers young people legally had a right to confidential health care.

And she said girls should be able to have emergency oral contraception.

Prof Sawyer's call comes as teenage pregnancy rates continue to rise in country Victoria.

Almost 10 per cent of births in Swan Hill are to teenage mothers aged from 15 to 19. In the Central Goldfields, the rate is 14.5 per cent.
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