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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 6:05pm more people die from legal abortions than illegal abortions world wide.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53255 At my desk.	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #16 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 6:20pm Are you talking about fetuses? If not, where did you get that from?
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Reply #17 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 7:38pm

I saw a documentary on youth and abstinence in the US. These kids were delirious with being virgins and saving themselves for their future spouse. It was religiously driven and that was the only turn off with the whole program.

It's not a bad idea I suppose to avoid STD's, or STI's as they're called today - but can our young people deny their hormones when they're at such high levels in certain age groups? Do they really want to?

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Don't change abortion bill: advocates
Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 7:54pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Dont-change-abortion-bill-advocates/2007/08/07/1186252699748.html

Proposed changes in Victoria to a controversial bill to decriminalise abortion could "re-criminalise" the procedure and achieve nothing, health groups say.

Upper house Labor MP Candy Broad has introduced a bill to decriminalise abortion, removing it from the state's Crimes Act.

Abortions are performed in Victoria under the 1969 Menhennitt Supreme Court ruling, which permits a termination provided it is to protect the life or physical or mental health of the woman.

"We know that 80 per cent of people in the community say that women can be trusted to make the decision that they need to when they're pregnant - if parliament's stepping away from that, they're actually not representing what the community says."

Ms Maltzahn claimed one-third of Victorian women had had an abortion.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41862 Gender:	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #19 - Aug 7^th, 2007 at 9:04pm I don't understand that posting . How can decriminilising anything recriminilise it ? Why does it need to be decriminilised if it is already ok ? For the safety of the mum ? Where does the Dad get a say ?
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cautious connie Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 215	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #20 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 8:38am Aid money can be better spent than on advising women to abort - for instance on providing loans to start micro-businesses, and providing infrastructure such as water pumps and sewerage. Maybe it is just a matter of priorities.
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Reply #21 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 9:53am

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Where does the Dad get a say ?

Good question sprintcyclist and I suppose it leads to the fact that sometimes when a woman falls pregnant, the father wants her to have an abortion, either because he doesn't want kids, can't cope - doesn't want the responsibility. So should a woman deny herself having the child because the father wants the child aborted?

It should work both ways, but it doesn't and so a woman usually decides if she wants an abortion. It has to be her decision.

It is unfair - but how do you reach a solution when one wants the child and the other one doesn't?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53255 At my desk.	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #22 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 9:59am Sprint, they were shifting the laws to a different 'branch' of legislation. They were concerned that the 'add on' provisions would make the new laws no different from the old ones. They would start with something different and more flexible, but then screw with it until it had all the old problems.
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Reply #23 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 10:59am

mantra - No, A woman should not be forced into an abortion by the father.
Yes, many things are unequal.
Men and women are different, therefore unequal. Which is not saying one is better than the other.
Just different.

Women do have the say on abortion. She is the one that is more involved.
It does effect us "were going to be" dads too.

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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #24 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 6:26pm Quote: It is unfair - but how do you reach a solution when one wants the child and the other one doesn't? In situations such as this the mother is the only one who can decide , as its her body and her choice.
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cautious connie Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 215	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #25 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 10:00pm No, when you think about it it is not the mother's body in question but the foetus's.
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #26 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 10:16pm How many unwanted children have you adopted lately Connie?
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Reply #27 - Aug 9^th, 2007 at 7:02am

None, but I am aware of the vast waiting list to adopt. I will never understand why it is better to kill an inconvenient foetus than place a live baby for adoption. Sure, some reasons for abortion may be legitimate but convenience or money or selfish abortions are in my view morally abhorrent.

Anyway, the point I made earlier in the thread is still relevant to the topic - that is that there are betetr ways to spend aid money than on advising women to have abortions.

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Reply #28 - Aug 9^th, 2007 at 10:43am

The aid money is not spent on 'advising women to have abortions.' It is spent on advising them of their medical options. It is basic medical care that is often denied women in certain societies. The women are not encouraged in any particular direction, just given the facts. Unless of course you get some kind of missionary interfering and trying to get vulnerable women to do what they want.

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cautious connie Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 215	Re: ABORTION: 'strings attached' to foreign aid Reply #29 - Aug 10^th, 2007 at 6:32am Even so (and i used to sponsor kids under paln International as i do think they are very good generally) the aid would do a lot more by being put into basic necessary infrastructure or micro loans.
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Question: Abortion - should it be legal?
Yes 16 (64.0%) No 5 (20.0%) Maybe - it depends on the circumstances 4 (16.0%) Total votes: 25 « Created by: spacscilib on: Feb 24^th, 2007 at 12:58pm »