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Reply #45 - Feb 28th, 2007 at 4:25pm
 
Ahem cough cough sorry bout that FD didnt have my glass eye in Roll Eyes
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Reply #46 - Feb 28th, 2007 at 4:30pm
 
Aloof..

The email worked after all...my mistake.

I did answer your question.

I was not implying anything aloof , about you in my reply to Freediver..I was agreeing with his overall sentiment..should have explained that a bit better.

I will clarify if you want me too.
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Reply #47 - Feb 28th, 2007 at 4:32pm
 
nah thats Cool thanks
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Reply #48 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 1:28pm
 
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Wasn't ATSIC a creation of European immigrants? Just because they put a few aborigines in charge doesn't mean they weren't pulling the strings.


After speaking with a few senior white fellas who worked in ATSIC, the inside story is that the body was dismantled because it was wielding too much power over government policy, and was influencing government negotiation with the private sector.

This makes sense, when you ask yourself, why did the government replease ATSIC with ICC? The new body has no power, only co-ordination within government departments. And almost all 'controllers' are non-indigenous.

Sure, there were abuses of power in ATSIC, but not enough to justify breaking up the organisation.

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'Sorry' songbook to stay in NSW schools
Reply #49 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 9:02pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Sorry-songbook-to-stay-in-NSW-schools/2007/07/11/1183833572226.html

The NSW government has refused to withdraw from state schools a controversial songbook with a song apologising to Aborigines - despite complaints it amounts to political propaganda.

Hamish East, the father of a pupil at Kiama Public School, on the state's south coast, approached the school principal after learning his son Brian was being taught the Sorry Song by West Australian composer Kerry Fletcher.

Mr East told News Ltd he was not opposed to reconciliation but the sorry issue was "emotive" and political, and should not be forced down the throat of a child.
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Reply #50 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:07pm
 
The father who complained was a councillor (local Council) and it is believed there was some political motivation behind it.

They are making a mountain out of a molehill - 8 year old children wouldn't think twice about the song and certainly not be brainwashed by it.  I listened to about a dozen elderly people on the radio today whinging about how our Education Department is trying to indoctrinate our children with left wing propaganda. 

It was pathetic.
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Reply #51 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 5:21pm
 
perhaps but if these children were forced to sing a song about how the stolen generation is a myth what would you say then?

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Reply #52 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 5:27pm
 
That is a statement of fact not of perception or feeling. If it is demonstrably false and presented as fact I would object. The relative opposite would be a song about how you don't care what happened to people.
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Reply #53 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 6:05pm
 
Kids in infants and primary school sing all sorts of songs.  It's hardly likely that they would look into some deep and hidden meaning behind each song. 

But being realistic - it's a song of remembrance and sorrow that would indicate we understand the sadness of the indigenous people.  It's hardly likely to corrupt an 8 year old.
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Reply #54 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 7:22pm
 
Children dont understand. political issues should NOT be pushed onto children.
Im sickened by the whole issue.
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Reply #55 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 7:39pm
 
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Children dont understand. political issues should NOT be pushed onto children.
Im sickened by the whole issue.


Exactly.
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Reply #56 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 7:55pm
 
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The song by West Australian composer Kerry Fletcher was written in 1998 for Sorry Day festivities and included in the ABC Song Book, distributed to NSW primary schools by Scholastic. It is used by teachers in addition to the official curriculum.

The song features the words: "If we can say sorry to the people from this land, sing, sing loud, break through the silence, sing sorry across this land. We cry, we cry, their children were stolen, now no one knows why."


How are those few simple words in a song political and damaging?   I'm surprised at both you DT & Aus Nat for being so narrow minded about two lines in a song.

It hardly constitutes political brainwashing.  A small minded father has kicked up a huge fuss over such a triviality - obviously he wanted to make some sort of political statement.  It is only fact - their children were stolen.
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Reply #57 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:06pm
 
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If we can say sorry to the people from this land, sing, sing loud, break through the silence, sing sorry across this land. We cry, we cry, their children were stolen, now no one knows why."[/highlight]


And why should todays youth say sorry huh?

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How are those few simple words in a song political and damaging?


Its the principle dammit. Politics and children do not mix. the idea of school is to be educated on how to survive in the outside world, understand philosophies and gain education in areas such as mathematics and language in order to gain employment.

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I'm surprised at both you DT & Aus Nat for being so narrow minded about two lines in a song.


Us narrow minded Shocked its not we who are corrupting the youth mrs socialist.


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It hardly constitutes political brainwashing.


How thick are you! typical leftie.

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A small minded father has kicked up a huge fuss over such a triviality - obviously he wanted to make some sort of political statement.


No, he didnt want his child to be brainwashed and made to feel guity about something that the kid knows nothing about or was even involved in. What next, will the schools expect our children to sing sorry songs for the Jews?

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It is only fact - their children were stolen.


No, their children were taken away from alcoholism, peadeophilia, poverty and were educated.
Perhaps too educated.
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Reply #58 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:14pm
 
Your standard xenophobic response Aus Nat.
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Reply #59 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:22pm
 
mantra wrote on Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:14pm:
Your standard xenophobic response Aus Nat.  


Ha ha ha. lost for words ay  Grin
And heres your mistake, Abo's arent foreigners. Though i still do hate them. If they'd only shut their mouths, id stop.
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