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Question: Which country is the biggest threat to Oz?

Indonesia    
  11 (42.3%)
Malaysia    
  1 (3.8%)
China    
  4 (15.4%)
Other    
  10 (38.5%)




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Reply #60 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 1:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2007 at 4:47pm:
How would a diprotodon cut down on fuel accumulation? Do they eat wood and fallen branches?

What book was that in? Have you read nay of Jared Diamond's books?

The greens had a policy (for a while anyway) of introducing more 'lush' vegetation, I think targetted at Northern NSW. The theory was that they could change the type of forest cover and thus prevent fires. It sounds crazy to me.

Beats me mate, Flannery is the expert here. Its from 'The Future Eaters'. I think it had more to do with the light leaf litter that would have to burn first in order to get the bigger stuff going? If I remember right there was also something about Aborigines burning to promote species they required for food and shelter, and changed our forests as a result. As I said the diprotodon theory is a bitof a stretch, but I think the basis of Flannery's idea: that species extinction events took part in changing Australia from a rainforest place to a dry forest place, has merit.

Yes I'm reading 'collapse' right now. Similar in ways to Uhrlichs: 'One With Nineveh' which I have also read. Nineveh is an ancient city in Iraq, part of the fertile mesopotamian(?) Civilisation that wiped itself out through environmental degradation, now the whole area is desert... thousands of years later.

Believe it or not, gum forests were historically not as dominant as they are today, simply because of fire stick farming and whatnot.
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Reply #61 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 1:30pm
 
Actually, Flannery believes so strongly in this idea that in the book he suggests introducing new large herbivore species to combat bushfire, namely the Komodo Dragon!
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Reply #62 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 2:41pm
 
zozo....


your killin em Grin Grin
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Reply #63 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 3:11pm
 
zoso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 1:30pm:
Actually, Flannery believes so strongly in this idea that in the book he suggests introducing new large herbivore species to combat bushfire, namely the Komodo Dragon!


Komodo a Herbivore? Grin

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Reply #64 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 9:54am
 
Nineveh was on my 'to read' list. I went to a seminar by the author a while back. From the descriptions I've heard it sounds like Collapse, but I doubt you could improve on Diamond's writing style. I get the impression it is more focussed on current political issues.

You would probably also find 'Gund, Germs and Steel' interesting.
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Reply #65 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 10:45am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2007 at 9:54am:
Nineveh was on my 'to read' list. I went to a seminar by the author a while back. From the descriptions I've heard it sounds like Collapse, but I doubt you could improve on Diamond's writing style. I get the impression it is more focussed on current political issues.

You would probably also find 'Gund, Germs and Steel' interesting.

Nineveh was detailed but dull (good though). Very much about the USA and its consumption habits.
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Reply #66 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 10:46am
 
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Komodo a Herbivore? Grin


Grin yep... sure got that one wrong! It must have been some other large lizard... can't remember.
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Reply #67 - Mar 25th, 2007 at 10:56am
 
zoso wrote on Mar 25th, 2007 at 10:46am:
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Grin yep... sure got that one wrong! It must have been some other large lizard... can't remember.


The iguana.
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Reply #68 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 5:08pm
 
I Now say china is our biggest threat.
I also believe indonesia will invade us while we are at war with china.
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Reply #69 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 3:03pm
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 4:08am:
Simple question, which country do you think is the biggest threat to Australian society from abroad? Ie. Which do you think is most likely to declare war?

Mine is Indonesia. -Islamic, therefore unpredictable and dangerous.


Define the term "threat", please.

If by "threat" you mean is capable of mounting a direct, conventional military attack on Australia, then I'd suggest no nation, except the US at the present time has the ability to do this.  Indonesia lacks the material and economic means to undertake it.   It is a disunited, economic basket-case which is far more concerned with its own internal divisions than seeking to attack Australia militarily.    You must also ask the question "why" as in "why would they bother?"   There is nothing that Australia possesses which Indonesia doesn't already have, as far material resources are concerned.

If by "threat" you mean is capable of mounting an indirect conventional military attack against Australia's interests, then again I'd suggest we have little to fear from Indonesia.  China, on the otherhand, is shaping up to be a much more potential although still distant (in time and geography) threat.  The PRC's recent decision to massively increase its defence spending is particularly worrisome.  However, I would suggest that the PRC's intentions still remain obscure but there are at least three main areas of tension which are potential flashpoints with them.  India - the PRC and India still remain at war and hold large swarths of each other's territory in the Himalayas.  Considering the antagonism which exists between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, it is possible to see a conflict between them escalate to one between India and China.  If that was to occur, it might be possible to see the PLAN attempt a foray into the Indian Ocean to relieve Indian pressure on Pakistan with the cominsurate possibility of the Indian Navy resisting them.  This could lead to us becoming involved because of the Five Power Defence Agreement with Malaysia which might resent having two fleets fighting it out, either side of the Isthmas of Kra as they attempt to force the Straits of Malacca.   Another flashpoint is the South China Sea, where Malaysia and Indonesia might drag us into conflict with the PRC over oil.   Finally, there is of course Taiwan, where our alliance with the US could see us dragged in.

If by "threat" you mean attacks by non-state actors, such as Terrorists, then I'd suggest the potential for damage to Australia is relatively limited and while the primary threat is one presented by Islamist Terrorists, they are not exclusively confined to Indonesia.  I would also suggest that the recent arrival of 82 Sri Lankan boatpeople on our shores and the involvement of the LTTE in their plight could potentially result in problems coming from that source.

Longer term, I would suggest that the rising of India and the PRC present potential problems to our strategic interests (already somewhat outlined above) in our region.


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Reply #70 - Apr 21st, 2007 at 5:04pm
 
This thread died a month ago and I couldn't be bothered continuing it.

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Reply #71 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 11:34am
 
Why?  Afraid of some serious discussion that resolves around reasoning, rather than prejudice?
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Reply #72 - Apr 24th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 4:08am:
Simple question, which country do you think is the biggest threat to Australian society from abroad? Ie. Which do you think is most likely to declare war?

Mine is Indonesia. -Islamic, therefore unpredictable and dangerous.


Indonesia does not have a real army. They mainly have poorly trained police.

My money is on China but I think the war is already on and it is an economic war. Really I don't see any threat as we are not a threat and also have the protection of the US and the Commonwealth.
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Reply #73 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 1:12pm
 
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Reply #74 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 7:29pm
 
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Thing is... I like China as a country. I really admire it for what its achieved and I think we can learn a lot from it.

But what I can't understand is why they keep pulling this sh1t.

They're going to be one of the most powerful countries in the world...  why worry about a stupid little country like Australia?


China is a vital trading partner for us and I 'think' we need them in the future.

I know this is very 'unDT' like... but I think China is a country we can negotiate with. -Very smart people, the chinese. Maybe a little too smart?  Undecided
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