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Re: Homelessness in Australia
Reply #30 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 5:50am

rhino wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:07pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 10:41pm:

You might find that much of Australia's early 'Euro' history was full of lies and propaganda.

The sympathy of being sent here for stealing a loaf of bread was that there were many paedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc - who were also sent here.

I don't buy into the Irish V English dramatics - its pedantic and has about as much importance as Serbs v Croats Roll Eyes

Irish or English - they are 'both' over there on the 'West' of Europe... together. Tongue

One played rich, while the other cried poor for sleeping with the rich man's wife... blah, blah Roll Eyes

No, their crimes were well documented. Most were sent to Australia for petty theft and fraud.

dont forget what we call PETTY wasnt so PETTY 200 years ago...

no one lives in this day and age like they did 200 years ago....NO ONE....read a book and you can only guess.. Roll Eyes

you cannot experience the reality of it...

today calling stealing a loaf of bread a crime,seems bizarre but would it be if someone stole a loaf of bread from you that you had saved a whole year to buy???....

so easy to judge when you really havent a clue.

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Reply #31 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 6:08am

i think i read a survey where in 1970 the majority of people stated that they had 5 close friends who they knew they could count on in a crisis.
by 2010 , in the USA the majority of people had one or none.

homelessness ( if we leave out the mentally ill) reflects bad choices as you climbed (or failed to climb) the narrow road to success (which is a narrow road).

if you didnt learn emotional control and the power of giving before you recieve, then you may have a dysfunctional family who will not be there for you

if you spent your time on social media stirring up hate or in the basement watching porn instead of volunteering at the local RSPCA or bush fire service or SES or landcare, then you are likely an isolated individual with no contacts.

if you were on the dole and chose to stay home and watch netflix and "take" rather the go volunteer and build social contacts and "contribute", then you leave yourself vulnerable in a crisis.

homelessness is 'extreme scarcity".

its like you look at a homeless person and they are SO MUCH STUCK in "i need to grab, clench and take" that they look terrified someone might steal their cardboard box.

yet again (yawn) the answer is just so obvious.

you have to give before you recieve.

you give to your parents and siblings and children
you give tons of good emotions and you never take.

you give to your community and you dont take.

this is why welfare is SO TOXIC, it teaches that taking is ok.

if you are an infant, if you are an 85 yo, if you have a serious disease, then you should take.

if you do not fit into any of those cohorts and you think you get ahead by taking, you are out of your freaking mind

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: Homelessness in Australia Reply #32 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 6:24am seriously aqua you always blame the victims. Some homeless may be there because of poor choices but nobody can predict the future and it doesn't mean they deserve it. Spot
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Reply #33 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 7:04am

i dont think its blaming the victims

when i see people who weigh 150 kg chowing down on a pizza, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
when they develop diabetes , its not like they are some random victim of misfortune.
its very much their actions that caused it.

when i see people who make zero effort to develop social capital, who dont think they need to put in and establish good social networks, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
if i went home and by misfortune my house had burnt down , would i find myself in the street?

no.

i have taken out the insurance policy of putting in the hard yards to develop strong bonds with multiple people in my social network.
would it have been easier to sit in my room , not support my wife, not develop a bond with my kids, not help out a neighbour, not socialise with family even when one is busy.
yes , it is always easier to do the wrong thing.

and that has consequences.

and those consequences are that you become a toxic person who people do not want around.

take in a homeless person as an experiment
they may be brimming with joy and passion and positivity.
it may be a great experience.
but i feel it is much more likley they are "sad, complain a lot and will suck the energy out of your household".

people want fun happy passionate people around.
i get thats its hard to be fun passionate and happy if you are homeless.
but thats the path forward.

every day, always, work on contributing fun, passion and a positive vibe and you will not believe the doors that will open for you

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Reply #34 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 7:30am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2018 at 7:04am:

i dont think its blaming the victims

when i see people who weigh 150 kg chowing down on a pizza, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
when they develop diabetes , its not like they are some random victim of misfortune.
its very much their actions that caused it.

when i see people who make zero effort to develop social capital, who dont think they need to put in and establish good social networks, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
if i went home and by misfortune my house had burnt down , would i find myself in the street?

no.

i have taken out the insurance policy of putting in the hard yards to develop strong bonds with multiple people in my social network.
would it have been easier to sit in my room , not support my wife, not develop a bond with my kids, not help out a neighbour, not socialise with family even when one is busy.
yes , it is always easier to do the wrong thing.

and that has consequences.

and those consequences are that you become a toxic person who people do not want around.

take in a homeless person as an experiment
they may be brimming with joy and passion and positivity.
it may be a great experience.
but i feel it is much more likley they are "sad, complain a lot and will suck the energy out of your household".

people want fun happy passionate people around.
i get thats its hard to be fun passionate and happy if you are homeless.
but thats the path forward.

every day, always, work on contributing fun, passion and a positive vibe and you will not believe the doors that will open for you

Actually if my house burned down i would be on the street - because most of my friends and family are DEAD

I have taken in homeless ppl multiple times over the years. 1 good example was an aboriginal man in Darwin who had an abcess in his arm. He slept on my kitchen floor and came to work with me and unloaded fishing boats with 1 arm all day in the heat. Of course he is an extreme example and i wouldnt expect anyone to do that. He just really wanted to - perhaps that fellow was you? Thats the kind of attitude you seem to think everyone should have. I know his story too and how he got where he was - not pretty. Not his fault at all either. Not everyone can do that though.

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Re: Homelessness in Australia
Reply #35 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 8:18am

cods wrote on Dec 21^st, 2018 at 5:50am:

rhino wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:07pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 10:41pm:

You might find that much of Australia's early 'Euro' history was full of lies and propaganda.

The sympathy of being sent here for stealing a loaf of bread was that there were many paedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc - who were also sent here.

I don't buy into the Irish V English dramatics - its pedantic and has about as much importance as Serbs v Croats Roll Eyes

Irish or English - they are 'both' over there on the 'West' of Europe... together. Tongue

One played rich, while the other cried poor for sleeping with the rich man's wife... blah, blah Roll Eyes

No, their crimes were well documented. Most were sent to Australia for petty theft and fraud.

dont forget what we call PETTY wasnt so PETTY 200 years ago...

no one lives in this day and age like they did 200 years ago....NO ONE....read a book and you can only guess.. Roll Eyes

you cannot experience the reality of it...

today calling stealing a loaf of bread a crime,seems bizarre but would it be if someone stole a loaf of bread from you that you had saved a whole year to buy???....

so easy to judge when you really havent a clue.

You need to back off there a little Judge Judy, I was describing the crimes not making personal judgements on them.

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Re: Homelessness in Australia
Reply #36 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 9:25am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 21^st, 2018 at 7:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2018 at 7:04am:

i dont think its blaming the victims

when i see people who weigh 150 kg chowing down on a pizza, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
when they develop diabetes , its not like they are some random victim of misfortune.
its very much their actions that caused it.

when i see people who make zero effort to develop social capital, who dont think they need to put in and establish good social networks, i think they have made a bad decision and there will be consequences.
if i went home and by misfortune my house had burnt down , would i find myself in the street?

no.

i have taken out the insurance policy of putting in the hard yards to develop strong bonds with multiple people in my social network.
would it have been easier to sit in my room , not support my wife, not develop a bond with my kids, not help out a neighbour, not socialise with family even when one is busy.
yes , it is always easier to do the wrong thing.

and that has consequences.

and those consequences are that you become a toxic person who people do not want around.

take in a homeless person as an experiment
they may be brimming with joy and passion and positivity.
it may be a great experience.
but i feel it is much more likley they are "sad, complain a lot and will suck the energy out of your household".

people want fun happy passionate people around.
i get thats its hard to be fun passionate and happy if you are homeless.
but thats the path forward.

every day, always, work on contributing fun, passion and a positive vibe and you will not believe the doors that will open for you

Actually if my house burned down i would be on the street - because most of my friends and family are DEAD

I have taken in homeless ppl multiple times over the years. 1 good example was an aboriginal man in Darwin who had an abcess in his arm. He slept on my kitchen floor and came to work with me and unloaded fishing boats with 1 arm all day in the heat. Of course he is an extreme example and i wouldnt expect anyone to do that. He just really wanted to - perhaps that fellow was you? Thats the kind of attitude you seem to think everyone should have. I know his story too and how he got where he was - not pretty. Not his fault at all either. Not everyone can do that though.

Spot

a good insurance policy would be to work on establishing a social network.
a bit of volunteer work, anything that gets you mixing with worthwhile people.
quality people abound everywhere, not in nightclubs or hotel pokie rooms but in all the volunteer places.
and if you are a positive person people will always want you around.
if your house burns down, who wouldnt want to help out a colleague by offering them a room.
but if you are socially isolated , this is not possible.
its why , even work for the dole brings people together and has spin off benefits

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Re: Homelessness in Australia
Reply #37 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 9:34am

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

It's amazing how many people 'here' (in the future) - still hold onto 'old' Old-World existences Roll Eyes

...then go off at Moslems for still acting like as if they were in the Middle-East, and not Australia. Tongue

And?

Have you seen me holding historical animosity? Acknowledging the past is not making excuses for it, then or now. Understanding it is the key to understanding where we are now. If there is nowhere to set out from how can you expect a destination?

Musselonians in the ME are still arguing 1297 and thereabouts when the Crusaders did a dozen or so small scale attacks at a time when the Musselonians were seeking to invade all of Europe and there were hundreds of battles to keep them out.

You simply cannot deal with people so narrow-minded and pig-headed, and it is clear that Musselonians are happy to throw away the rule book, meaning they thus forfeit any rights to civilised response.

Load the Boats!! Musselonia for the Musselonians!

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Re: Homelessness in Australia
Reply #38 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 12:10pm

mantra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2006 at 6:39am:

While most of us have had a fairly warm, indulgent Xmas - have we spared a thought for our homeless people in Australia. According to statistics back in 2001, we had reached a figure of 99,900 and when the 2006 census has been counted, this figure is expected to double. The homeless are those who seek shelter in parks, shop doorways and alleys - for the maxium protection from the elements of the weather or violence and those who are mentally unable to fit into mainstream life. If they're lucky enough to find a soup kitchen, they can eat - as so many of these lost people can't claim welfare because they haven't got a permanent address.

Australia - according to our Prime Minister - is a rich country where many of us are prosperous, yet little is done to alleviate the misery of our most vulnerable mentally or physically ill people.

The results of recent research of our atttitudes to homelessness were as expected - a very high degree of community ignorance as 74 per cent of those surveyed believed that homeless people had only themselves to blame for their plight: they had poor characters and made stupid choices.

Is this what Australia has now become - a society that strives only for it's own gain and forgets those who are unfortunate and disadvantaged?

We have to change our attitude - as there is not one single reason why these neglected people should have to suffer the way they do in this affluent country.

Your 99,900 figure includes people staying with friends, in refuges or couch-surfing, Mantra. The number of street homeless people is much smaller.

The ones on the streets tend to have mental health problems, which makes this more of a mental health issue than a housing one.

I know a few homeless people who've been given housing and just can't sustain it without a lot of help. One guy I know is back in hospital. He doesn't want to return to his Housing Commission flat because he finds it lonely.

We've tried supported accomodation through mental health services and a house run by Catholic nuns. The only place he seems to stay in is a large, short-term crisis refuge. He can't - or won't - stop using ice.

If solving homelessness was as simple as providing housing, we could do it. But dealing with madness is much more complicated. Some people just don't fit in.

It's interesting that some people find crisis refuges like Matthew Talbots depressing. This place has an overflow. People actually queue to get in - not because that's all there is, but because it's what they know.

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