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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #30 - Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:55pm

mothra wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Leroy wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was killed....What purpose did this murder hope to serve???

Huh

Kirk promoted conversation between the left and right, he tried to have open conversations with the intention of learning and understanding each other. He wanted to bring people together where they could listen to each other with respect and civility. He was prepared to take any question and answer honestly and respect the person he would have a conversation with. The purpose of his death was to stop him from having open conversations.

He wanted to bring people together? No, he didn't. He believed women should submit to their husband because men are in charge. He believed black people should be segregated from white people. He said some gun deaths are acceptable if that's what it takes to protect the Second Amendment. He accused Jews of controlling much of America. He would not allow his own daughter to have an abortion if she had been raped as a ten year-old, forcing her to carry the baby to full-term.

He was a white supremacist, a racist, a sexist, a bigot and an anti-semite. He does not deserve any Presidential medals, he doesn't deserve having his coffin being carried by military personnel. He does deserve a private burial and to be forgotten by history as just another nutjob MAGA cult member.

And now we have it that if you worked in the US right now, that post could get you fired.

So what? If I post comments critical of Trump and then try to go on holiday in the United States, I could get barred from entering now because the orange felon can't handle ANY
criticism.

Freeeeeeee speech. Innit.

Of course it is - as long as you toe the line of indoctrination as stated by MAGA.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #31 - Sep 13^th, 2025 at 9:50pm

lee wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 12:07pm:

On sep 11 2025 Charlie Kirk was shot and the right went berserk.

Just a day or two earlier a young girl was shot dead and dozens of others injured during a church service. The right reluctantly offered thoughts and prayers.

The right offered thoughts and prayers. The left cheered Kirk's death. Cry

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The left cheered Kirk's death.

The above comment is:

1) Untrue
2) False
3) A lie
4) All of the above

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #32 - Sep 13^th, 2025 at 11:42pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Leroy wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was killed....What purpose did this murder hope to serve???

Huh

Kirk promoted conversation between the left and right, he tried to have open conversations with the intention of learning and understanding each other. He wanted to bring people together where they could listen to each other with respect and civility. He was prepared to take any question and answer honestly and respect the person he would have a conversation with. The purpose of his death was to stop him from having open conversations.

He wanted to bring people together? No, he didn't. He believed women should submit to their husband because men are in charge. He believed black people should be segregated from white people. He said some gun deaths are acceptable if that's what it takes to protect the Second Amendment. He accused Jews of controlling much of America. He would not allow his own daughter to have an abortion if she had been raped as a ten year-old, forcing her to carry the baby to full-term.

He was a white supremacist, a racist, a sexist, a bigot and an anti-semite. He does not deserve any Presidential medals, he doesn't deserve having his coffin being carried by military personnel. He does deserve a private burial and to be forgotten by history as just another nutjob MAGA cult member.

And now we have it that if you worked in the US right now, that post could get you fired.

So what? If I post comments critical of Trump and then try to go on holiday in the United States, I could get barred from entering now because the orange felon can't handle ANY
criticism.

Sounds fair to me.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #33 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 6:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Leroy wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was killed....What purpose did this murder hope to serve???

Huh

Kirk promoted conversation between the left and right, he tried to have open conversations with the intention of learning and understanding each other. He wanted to bring people together where they could listen to each other with respect and civility. He was prepared to take any question and answer honestly and respect the person he would have a conversation with. The purpose of his death was to stop him from having open conversations.

He wanted to bring people together? No, he didn't. He believed women should submit to their husband because men are in charge. He believed black people should be segregated from white people. He said some gun deaths are acceptable if that's what it takes to protect the Second Amendment. He accused Jews of controlling much of America. He would not allow his own daughter to have an abortion if she had been raped as a ten year-old, forcing her to carry the baby to full-term.

He was a white supremacist, a racist, a sexist, a bigot and an anti-semite. He does not deserve any Presidential medals, he doesn't deserve having his coffin being carried by military personnel. He does deserve a private burial and to be forgotten by history as just another nutjob MAGA cult member.

You misrepresent him with the usual lazy, shop-soiled lefty slogans.

Stupid but typical.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #34 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 7:42am

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 6:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Leroy wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 7:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was killed....What purpose did this murder hope to serve???

Huh

Kirk promoted conversation between the left and right, he tried to have open conversations with the intention of learning and understanding each other. He wanted to bring people together where they could listen to each other with respect and civility. He was prepared to take any question and answer honestly and respect the person he would have a conversation with. The purpose of his death was to stop him from having open conversations.

He wanted to bring people together? No, he didn't. He believed women should submit to their husband because men are in charge. He believed black people should be segregated from white people. He said some gun deaths are acceptable if that's what it takes to protect the Second Amendment. He accused Jews of controlling much of America. He would not allow his own daughter to have an abortion if she had been raped as a ten year-old, forcing her to carry the baby to full-term.

He was a white supremacist, a racist, a sexist, a bigot and an anti-semite. He does not deserve any Presidential medals, he doesn't deserve having his coffin being carried by military personnel. He does deserve a private burial and to be forgotten by history as just another nutjob MAGA cult member.

You misrepresent him with the usual lazy, shop-soiled lefty slogans.

Stupid but typical.

Just go and watch his videos on his own channel and you can see that I'm not lying, but that you're in denial. He was divisive and full of hatred. He was the epitome of MAGA.

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MattE Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 505 Gender:	Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr Reply #35 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say. Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.
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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #36 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:07am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 9:50pm:

lee wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 6:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2025 at 12:07pm:

On sep 11 2025 Charlie Kirk was shot and the right went berserk.

Just a day or two earlier a young girl was shot dead and dozens of others injured during a church service. The right reluctantly offered thoughts and prayers.

The right offered thoughts and prayers. The left cheered Kirk's death. Cry

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The left cheered Kirk's death.

The above comment is:

1) Untrue
2) False
3) A lie
4) All of the above

No it's not ..... not at all.

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Reply #37 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:20am

My friends, please do not tear each other apart. Charlie's death should be a reflection point for all of us on both sides of the political spectrum to stand up and say that political violence has no place in our society. Each time, someone is killed - regardless if he or she is right or left wing, it is an attack on democracy against ALL of us.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #38 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:20am

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Would video of him saying things like "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"?

How about him saying black women like Michelle Obama, Joy Reid, and Sheila Jackson Lee "do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot." when talking about college admissions?

What about him saying that "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s." and calling any progress made by black people as a whole or even individuals is DEI.

Or is that just Christian values?

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #39 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:24am

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:20am:

My friends, please do not tear each other apart. Charlie's death should be a reflection point for all of us on both sides of the political spectrum to stand up and say that political violence has no place in our society. Each time, someone is killed - regardless if he or she is right or left wing, it is an attack on democracy against ALL of us.

It should, but even before the identity of the shooter was known, the right was openly fantasising about murdering their political opponents, craving a civil war.

If only the left shows up with civility, it's never going to stick.

I don't want more violence, but given the right's reaction, it feels inevitable.

Especially when you consider their previous indifference, or outright mockery, towards Democrat victims of political violence, even assassinations.

We're not dealing with normal, rational people on the right. This is just a game to them.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #40 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:34am

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Sure.

In 2024, he said, “If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'”

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Reply #41 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Sure.

In 2024, he said, “If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'”

I bet he didn't say that about white pilots.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #42 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:47am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Sure.

In 2024, he said, “If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'”

I bet he didn't say that about white pilots.

Nope - just black ones.

Racism 101

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Reply #43 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 10:02am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:34am:

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Sure.

In 2024, he said, “If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'”

I bet he didn't say that about white pilots.

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KOLVET: We've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, "I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now, thinking about that."

KIRK: You wanna go thought crime? I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like, "Boy, I hope he's qualified."

KOLVET: But you wouldn't have done that before!

KIRK: That's not an immediate … that's not who I am. That's not what I believe.

NEFF: It is the reality the left has created.

KIRK: I want to be as blunt as possible because now I'm connecting two dots. Wait a second, this CEO just said that he's forcing that a white qualified guy is not gonna get the job. So I see this guy, he might be a nice person and I say, "Boy, I hope he's not a Harvard-style affirmative-action student that … landed half of his flight-simulator trials."

KOLVET: Such a good point. That's so fair.

KIRK: It also … creates unhealthy thinking patterns. I don't wanna think that way. And no one should, right? … And by the way, then you couple it with the FAA, air-traffic control, they got a bunch of morons and affirmative-action people.

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Re: Charlie Kirk is no hero or martyr
Reply #44 - Sep 14^th, 2025 at 12:50pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 9:20am:

MattE wrote on Sep 14^th, 2025 at 8:37am:

I keep hearing leftists say Charlie Kirk was a racist and bigot. Yet they provide no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you provide any evidence he was racist and bigoted? By this, I don't mean your opinion, but actual evidence from what Charlie Kirk has said and/or done.

Would video of him saying things like "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"?

How about him saying black women like Michelle Obama, Joy Reid, and Sheila Jackson Lee "do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot." when talking about college admissions?

What about him saying that "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s." and calling any progress made by black people as a whole or even individuals is DEI.

Or is that just Christian values?

Those quotes are taken out of context.

He spoke those words in the context of DEI admissions and hiring policies, where preferential treatment is given based on race, gender, sexuality etc, and not on academic merit or actual skill.

He was saying we should have a world where DEI doesn't exist, that way when you do see a pilot no matter what their race or gender, no one thinks about "were they employed based on DEI policies ".

Same for all jobs.

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