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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #75 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 3:58pm

Herro? Herro?! Anyone home in Meeanjin...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Can you dispute any of the points?

No.

Is there anything untrue in the bits I posted?

No.

You are just trying to hide your inability of refuting or countering any of the points by doing a Bbwiyawnesque 'twilight zone'.

Would you like me to answer those questions?

go on, stop avoiding/hiding behind endless blather.

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #76 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:01pm

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Herro? Herro?! Anyone home in Meeanjin...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Can you dispute any of the points?

No.

Is there anything untrue in the bits I posted?

No.

You are just trying to hide your inability of refuting or countering any of the points by doing a Bbwiyawnesque 'twilight zone'.

Would you like me to answer those questions?

go on, stop avoiding/hiding behind endless blather.

Settle down. I'm not in the business of fabricating answers just to suit a narrative, unlike you.

If this article is to be dealt with properly, it will require time to comb through it carefully and do the necessary research. We both know the source has a track record of pushing falsehoods and misleading claims, but whether this particular piece falls into the same category is something that needs to be tested.

That's why I asked you to clarify the points first, to gauge whether you were coming at this honestly, or if it was just going to be another exercise in bad faith. For once, perhaps accidentally, you actually managed to answer the question, which is why I'll commit to doing a deep dive on it when time permits.

Yes, there is suspicion surrounding the source, and rightly so, but the proper approach is to see how their claims stand up under scrutiny. That's how truth is established, not by grabbing at whatever headline happens to confirm the bias you already carry like a security blanket.

Sadly, the truth travels slower than the BS you usually push.

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #77 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:44pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Herro? Herro?! Anyone home in Meeanjin...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Can you dispute any of the points?

No.

Is there anything untrue in the bits I posted?

No.

You are just trying to hide your inability of refuting or countering any of the points by doing a Bbwiyawnesque 'twilight zone'.

Would you like me to answer those questions?

go on, stop avoiding/hiding behind endless blather.

Settle down. I'm not in the business of fabricating answers just to suit a narrative, unlike you.

If this article is to be dealt with properly, it will require time to comb through it carefully and do the necessary research. We both know the source has a track record of pushing falsehoods and misleading claims, but whether this particular piece falls into the same category is something that needs to be tested.

That's why I asked you to clarify the points first, to gauge whether you were coming at this honestly, or if it was just going to be another exercise in bad faith. For once, perhaps accidentally, you actually managed to answer the question, which is why I'll commit to doing a deep dive on it when time permits.

Yes, there is suspicion surrounding the source, and rightly so, but the proper approach is to see how their claims stand up under scrutiny. That's how truth is established, not by grabbing at whatever headline happens to confirm the bias you already carry like a security blanket.

Sadly, the truth travels slower than the BS you usually push.

Quadrant doesn't have a "track record of pushing falsehoods and misleading claims".
That is a rubbish claim. You are just paroting hearsay crap without ever checking if the claim stands up to scrutiny.

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #78 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:53pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 1:45pm:

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Racism is about discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Exactly. That's why we have lower standards and expectations for aborigines. Why we let them get away with things that we would not permit from any other group in our society. It's why they are treated differently before the law.

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What really unsettles people like you is the prospect of a level playing field.

How is treating people differently before the law, based on their race, a level playing field?

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Communism refers to a political and economic system involving the abolition of private property and common ownership of resources.

There are plenty of cases where that is exactly how aborigines are treated. They are given property (eg Uluru, Mt Warning etc), but they only have collective ownership of it. They are not allowed to have individual ownership of it. So an entire communist economy is built around the ownership, with exactly the consequences you would expect from communism.

Communism is state ownership, full stop.

How are you struggling with such a basic definition?

What's really going on here is your fear of a world where our Indigenous brothers and sisters stand as equals.

You're free to object to traditional owners having a say over land or wielding real authority, but there are two things you should keep in mind.

First, it isn't communism. Don't cheapen the word by misusing it.

Second, you're sliding down a very ugly slope. The way you're carrying on, it starts with quibbling about co-management of country and ends with you fantasising about locking First Nations people in hermetically sealed compounds, selling tickets to the wealthy to go on safari hunts, branding the whole grotesque enterprise "Absoic Park" or some other dystopian joke.

How much 'research' did you put into this load of overblown, emoting garbage?

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #79 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:40pm

Frank wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 5:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 4:19pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

Communism is state ownership, full stop.

How are you struggling with such a basic definition?

It is an idiotic misunderstanding by you, perhaps that's why.

It is common ownership in a COLLECTIVE, a commune. Like a kibbutz. Wink

State ownership is not communism.

No, its socialism. Ownership of the means of production held in common equates to basic socialism. If you knew anything about political theory, you'd know that, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Don't tell me, Bbwiyawn, tell KangaLoon. He is the one labouring unders a total misunderstanding, with a full stop, no less. Suddenly a man of VERY few words (all wrong, of course).

Your the one making the claim, Soren. Don't try and avoid the blame in such a shallow, intellectually stupid effort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #80 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:42pm

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 4:35pm:

The consequences are the same Brian, whatever label you put on it.

Australia hosted a conference of all the Socialist states around the world back in the early 1970s. We were accorded the honour as the second most Socialist nation in the world. Since then we have gone downhill with major privatisation efforts. Australians tend to think that effort has gone too far. We are paying proportionately more in fees for services as a consequence. We are making oligarchs richer at our expense. Gough would never allow that in his Term as Prime Minister. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I see the point went way over your head Brian.

Obviously the communists and racists are not going to have a problem with Aborigines living in squalor and violence without any sense of self determination as a result of racist and communist government policies.

I have no idea what Communists or Racists believe in except that it is based on a false belief the amount of Melanin determines the worth of an individual. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #81 - Aug 26^th, 2025 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 9:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 4:35pm:

The consequences are the same Brian, whatever label you put on it.

Australia hosted a conference of all the Socialist states around the world back in the early 1970s. We were accorded the honour as the second most Socialist nation in the world. Since then we have gone downhill with major privatisation efforts. Australians tend to think that effort has gone too far. We are paying proportionately more in fees for services as a consequence. We are making oligarchs richer at our expense. Gough would never allow that in his Term as Prime Minister. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I see the point went way over your head Brian.

Obviously the communists and racists are not going to have a problem with Aborigines living in squalor and violence without any sense of self determination as a result of racist and communist government policies.

I have no idea what Communists or Racists believe in except that it is based on a false belief the amount of Melanin determines the worth of an individual. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Remote Aborigines live in a hell that is other Aborigines. They are monstered by Aborigines. Why do you think it is like that? Because of you or me, thousands of miles away?

What would make YOU behave like they do? What would make YOU beat your wife senseless, break her bones, send her to hospital, , rape and abuse and neglect your children, live in filth and squalor, pissed by 10 am?

Are YOU making Aborigines in remote shitehoies behave like that? Am I making them do such things?

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #82 - Aug 27^th, 2025 at 7:07am

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2025 at 5:53pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2025 at 1:45pm:

Quote:

Racism is about discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Exactly. That's why we have lower standards and expectations for aborigines. Why we let them get away with things that we would not permit from any other group in our society. It's why they are treated differently before the law.

Quote:

What really unsettles people like you is the prospect of a level playing field.

How is treating people differently before the law, based on their race, a level playing field?

Quote:

Communism refers to a political and economic system involving the abolition of private property and common ownership of resources.

There are plenty of cases where that is exactly how aborigines are treated. They are given property (eg Uluru, Mt Warning etc), but they only have collective ownership of it. They are not allowed to have individual ownership of it. So an entire communist economy is built around the ownership, with exactly the consequences you would expect from communism.

Communism is state ownership, full stop.

How are you struggling with such a basic definition?

What's really going on here is your fear of a world where our Indigenous brothers and sisters stand as equals.

You're free to object to traditional owners having a say over land or wielding real authority, but there are two things you should keep in mind.

First, it isn't communism. Don't cheapen the word by misusing it.

Second, you're sliding down a very ugly slope. The way you're carrying on, it starts with quibbling about co-management of country and ends with you fantasising about locking First Nations people in hermetically sealed compounds, selling tickets to the wealthy to go on safari hunts, branding the whole grotesque enterprise "Absoic Park" or some other dystopian joke.

How much 'research' did you put into this load of overblown, emoting garbage?

You already embarrassed yourself once trying to twist what I said, no need to keep humiliating yourself further.

And we've all seen what unchecked racism drives people to post around here, it's not exactly subtle.

What's that, another swing and a miss?

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #83 - Aug 27^th, 2025 at 12:34pm

Yes - it's absolutely dreadful the way some unthinking people support anything but Australia and Australians here - that's the worst kind of racism around ...

Imagine anyone supporting the idea that a minority can just own the place ... imagine people imagining that supporting the worst murderers on earth is a good thing ... imagine anyone thinking that the voting public have no right to a real Voice on anything..

Funny thing about communism - the state may think it owns everything - but the reality has always been that those who run the show think they do... no different from anywhere else... the biggest real issue is who actually does - the State or The people - that's the perpetual civil war that never stops... and at the moment the people are losing to a new tide of delusional 'progressives' who think they are doing right by doing, over and over again, massive wrongs.

All tyrannies are like that... Wink

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Re: Australia's first treaty with first nations
Reply #84 - Aug 27^th, 2025 at 1:57pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 27^th, 2025 at 7:07am: